To all the Tomcat Drivers.... I am currently working through setting the Rhino up. I am struggling w

To all the Tomcat Drivers....
I am currently working through setting the Rhino up.
I am struggling with getting trim adjustments to move the stick when trimmed.
I have tried all combinations of turning the "FFB Trim implementation" on in DCS module and the "Force Trim" in VP Config.
I can either trim the ld fashioned way as in the stick does not move but trim adjusts...or...
I cannot adjust trim at all.

I have read through pretty much everything here and I must be missing something.
Thanks in advance....

Harq•6/23/23, 3:12 AM

do you have the force feedback option checked in misc DCS options?

SubsonicOP•6/23/23, 3:29 AM

Sure do
Even tried the Trim option in special for the F-14 on and off
I can get buffet shake and those effects, but trim to work and move the stick...no bueno

Harq•6/23/23, 4:06 AM

strange... I had my stick fail to move properly a couple times, but I got it working eventually. Trying to remember if I did anything other than restart DCS.

Harq•6/23/23, 4:07 AM

You might check that your trimmer controls are bound properly. If you've got a stick preset applied in VPForce config, sometimes it got reset back to default for me after I made edits in it

Harq•6/23/23, 4:07 AM

the button names were different between the default config and my virpil stick

Harq•6/23/23, 4:08 AM

the buffeting working makes me think the FFB is active but it's not recieving trim commands

Harq•6/23/23, 4:08 AM

when my FFB wasn't working, no effects worked at all

MacTavish•6/23/23, 6:07 AM

@walmis Hi, I have your Rhino base with an 20 cm extension and a VPC Alpha PRIME grip. Now everty time I press one of the 4 way hats I get multiple inputs. In the configurator I seleced the apha grip. I hope somebody finds the step I'm doing wrong.

SSubsonic Sure do Even tried the Trim option in special for the F-14 on and off I can get ...

walmis•6/23/23, 6:09 AM

Can you show us your settings?

MMacTavish @walmis Hi, I have your Rhino base with an 20 cm extension and a VPC Alpha PRIM...

walmis•6/23/23, 6:11 AM

Hi, can you show how it behaves, video/screenshot?

MacTavish•6/23/23, 6:12 AM

I will do it when I’m back home on Sunday.

SSubsonic To all the Tomcat Drivers.... I am currently working through setting the Rhino u...

Anthony•6/23/23, 8:07 AM

Is ffb enabled both in DCS and the F-14 settings specifically?

SubsonicOP•6/23/23, 1:42 PM

Thanks for the responses folks.
Vp Effects...

SubsonicOP•6/23/23, 1:42 PM

SubsonicOP•6/23/23, 1:42 PM

Vp settings, Hardware Force Trim currently off, but button mapping settings can be seen...
These correcspond tothe Virpil VFX hat up, down, left, right

SubsonicOP•6/23/23, 1:42 PM

SubsonicOP•6/23/23, 1:42 PM

DCS misc, FFB on

SubsonicOP•6/23/23, 1:42 PM

SubsonicOP•6/23/23, 1:43 PM

DCS Special for the F14, with the FFB Trim setting currently OFF, I have tried with this on or off.

SubsonicOP•6/23/23, 1:43 PM

SubsonicOP•6/23/23, 1:43 PM

FFB tune for reference...

SubsonicOP•6/23/23, 1:43 PM

SubsonicOP•6/23/23, 1:44 PM

Thanks!

SSubsonic Click to see attachment

Anthony•6/23/23, 1:51 PM

“Use FFB trim implementation” should be ticked in. Reckon that’s your problem right there

SSubsonic Click to see attachment

Anthony•6/23/23, 1:54 PM

Though “Spring” looks like it might cause some issues since you’ve set pitch to just 1% and have it override game ffb. I wouldn’t say that I’m certain of it, but I imagine that it has the potential for causing issues.

Try unticking all “Sticky”, tick “Use FFB trim implementation” and see what happens re FFB trim, so we might figure out if that’s on the correct path

walmis•6/23/23, 1:58 PM

You need to uncheck "sticky". That will override any effects the game sends.

AAnthony “Use FFB trim implementation” should be ticked in. Reckon that’s your problem ri...

SubsonicOP•6/23/23, 1:58 PM

As I mentioned, it shows off now since it is just off, but I have set it to on as it should be

Wwalmis You need to uncheck "sticky". That will override any effects the game sends.

SubsonicOP•6/23/23, 1:59 PM

The "spring" sticky?

walmis•6/23/23, 1:59 PM

Yes, disable that.

SubsonicOP•6/23/23, 2:01 PM

Thanks.....Will do!
ALso, meant to ask....should I use the VP Hardwre Force trim? Or just use the DCS settings and leave VP force Trim off and map the game trim controls as normal?

SSubsonic Thanks.....Will do! ALso, meant to ask....should I use the VP Hardwre Force trim...

Anthony•6/23/23, 2:02 PM

DCS one

SubsonicOP•6/23/23, 2:02 PM

dang this software is powerful!

AAnthony DCS one

SubsonicOP•6/23/23, 2:02 PM

Roger that....I'll give it a test later

SubsonicOP•6/23/23, 2:03 PM

https://tenor.com/view/thank-you-thanks-thank-you-so-much-keanu-reeves-gif-21952233

Tenor

Anthony•6/23/23, 2:05 PM

“Sticky” means that your software settings will override in game FFB. In DCS, “Spring” is the only effect that’s implemented though AFAIK

AAnthony “Sticky” means that your software settings will override in game FFB. In DCS, “S...

walmis•6/23/23, 2:16 PM

Yes, spring and some periodic shake/rumble effects

SSubsonic Click to see attachment

amadeus•6/23/23, 2:23 PM

Also - spring shouldn’t be at 0% either? /cc @walmis?

walmis•6/23/23, 2:24 PM

Oh yes, def should not be zero

AAnthony “Sticky” means that your software settings will override in game FFB. In DCS, “S...

SubsonicOP•6/23/23, 2:25 PM

Yup, understood that from all the docs and chats, never thought it would override teh trim in that way though

Wwalmis Oh yes, def should not be zero

SubsonicOP•6/23/23, 2:26 PM

saturation?

amadeus•6/23/23, 2:26 PM

He’s talking about the screenshot I linked — put all those sliders at 100%

amadeus•6/23/23, 2:27 PM

Only tune them down if you find a game is applying too much effects

SSubsonic Click to see attachment

amadeus•6/23/23, 2:28 PM

SubsonicOP•6/23/23, 2:28 PM

ahh, the main slider, I see
Was not going to use spring at all until I found a convo with walmis and jager about center sensitivity and spring

SubsonicOP•6/23/23, 2:28 PM

I am going to drop it all together and tweak if needed

SubsonicOP•6/23/23, 2:29 PM

I am getting it now...if you turn on an effect, the slider itself needs to be at some value over 0. If you dont want any strength to the effect, disable it in effects tab

amadeus•6/23/23, 2:29 PM

I’d recommend not changing any settings in the app unless you’re trying to tune an existing plane, spring centering is what gets adjusted in the f-14 when trimming

SSubsonic I am getting it now...if you turn on an effect, the slider itself needs to be at...

amadeus•6/23/23, 2:30 PM

Those big sliders also change how much a game can apply

amadeus•6/23/23, 2:30 PM

You basically told the game — never apply a spring

SubsonicOP•6/23/23, 2:30 PM

Thanks, going to drop everything back to vanilla, get trim working, then tweak from there

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