Thanks.....Will do! ALso, meant to ask....should I use the VP Hardwre Force trim? Or just use the D

Thanks.....Will do!
ALso, meant to ask....should I use the VP Hardwre Force trim? Or just use the DCS settings and leave VP force Trim off and map the game trim controls as normal?

SSubsonic Thanks.....Will do! ALso, meant to ask....should I use the VP Hardwre Force trim...

Anthony•6/23/23, 2:02 PM

DCS one

SubsonicOP•6/23/23, 2:02 PM

dang this software is powerful!

AAnthony DCS one

SubsonicOP•6/23/23, 2:02 PM

Roger that....I'll give it a test later

SubsonicOP•6/23/23, 2:03 PM

https://tenor.com/view/thank-you-thanks-thank-you-so-much-keanu-reeves-gif-21952233

Tenor

Anthony•6/23/23, 2:05 PM

“Sticky” means that your software settings will override in game FFB. In DCS, “Spring” is the only effect that’s implemented though AFAIK

AAnthony “Sticky” means that your software settings will override in game FFB. In DCS, “S...

walmis•6/23/23, 2:16 PM

Yes, spring and some periodic shake/rumble effects

SSubsonic Click to see attachment

amadeus•6/23/23, 2:23 PM

Also - spring shouldn’t be at 0% either? /cc @walmis?

walmis•6/23/23, 2:24 PM

Oh yes, def should not be zero

AAnthony “Sticky” means that your software settings will override in game FFB. In DCS, “S...

SubsonicOP•6/23/23, 2:25 PM

Yup, understood that from all the docs and chats, never thought it would override teh trim in that way though

Wwalmis Oh yes, def should not be zero

SubsonicOP•6/23/23, 2:26 PM

saturation?

amadeus•6/23/23, 2:26 PM

He’s talking about the screenshot I linked — put all those sliders at 100%

amadeus•6/23/23, 2:27 PM

Only tune them down if you find a game is applying too much effects

SSubsonic Click to see attachment

amadeus•6/23/23, 2:28 PM

SubsonicOP•6/23/23, 2:28 PM

ahh, the main slider, I see
Was not going to use spring at all until I found a convo with walmis and jager about center sensitivity and spring

SubsonicOP•6/23/23, 2:28 PM

I am going to drop it all together and tweak if needed

SubsonicOP•6/23/23, 2:29 PM

I am getting it now...if you turn on an effect, the slider itself needs to be at some value over 0. If you dont want any strength to the effect, disable it in effects tab

amadeus•6/23/23, 2:29 PM

I’d recommend not changing any settings in the app unless you’re trying to tune an existing plane, spring centering is what gets adjusted in the f-14 when trimming

SSubsonic I am getting it now...if you turn on an effect, the slider itself needs to be at...

amadeus•6/23/23, 2:30 PM

Those big sliders also change how much a game can apply

amadeus•6/23/23, 2:30 PM

You basically told the game — never apply a spring

SubsonicOP•6/23/23, 2:30 PM

Thanks, going to drop everything back to vanilla, get trim working, then tweak from there

amadeus•6/23/23, 2:33 PM

Given your green role color, sounds like you built a custom setup, but on the default rhino — we have that encoder dial we can turn to manually in real-time adjust how strong the spring effect is. Not sure if you added the equivalent for your setup, but probs best to just that dial that in real time to turn up/down the spring if you don’t like it so strong

kingjamez•6/23/23, 2:38 PM

I just tried Trim on my system. I have nothing sticky, and only master gain set to 100%, then controlled by the potentiometer. and the only thing I did to DCS was set the trim buttons. My trim moves with the button presses.

kingjamez•6/23/23, 2:38 PM

(on F-14A)

Aamadeus Given your green role color, sounds like you built a custom setup, but on the de...

SubsonicOP•6/23/23, 2:41 PM

correct, DIY build. Currently have one pot set to friction intensity and the other one I have changed between periodic effects and damper.
I do think my issue is sticky spring which I will remove all together and if I do add it I will set pot 2 to spring effects or master gain.
Thanks!!

Kkingjamez I just tried Trim on my system. I have nothing sticky, and only master gain set ...

SubsonicOP•6/23/23, 2:43 PM

Thanks for the input.....testing it in a little bit

SSubsonic correct, DIY build. Currently have one pot set to friction intensity and the ot...

kingjamez•6/23/23, 2:48 PM

I'd recommend setting a pot to master gain. Master gain affects the in game effects including trim.

Kkingjamez I'd recommend setting a pot to master gain. Master gain affects the in game effe...

SubsonicOP•6/23/23, 2:59 PM

wilco

MarshmallowBBQ•6/23/23, 5:23 PM

Do we have drawings for the 57BLF03? I would like to know its dimension

SubsonicOP•6/23/23, 5:27 PM

This is baffling.
no effects on
current settings
Mater gain set to pot1 and cranked to max
FFB on in DCS misc and F14 special for trim
I hit the trim hat...I see the trim move in the Rtcl-Enter display....stick stays put

SSubsonic This is baffling. no effects on current settings Mater gain set to pot1 and cran...

walmis•6/23/23, 5:32 PM

Your spring is at 0% in the screenshot above

MMarshmallowBBQ Do we have drawings for the 57BLF03? I would like to know its dimension

SubsonicOP•6/23/23, 5:33 PM

Wwalmis Your spring is at 0% in the screenshot above

SubsonicOP•6/23/23, 5:33 PM

Even if not using the effect it needs to be above zero for trim to work?

walmis•6/23/23, 5:34 PM

Yes, now it essentially multiplies all spring forces created by the game by 0

SubsonicOP•6/23/23, 5:36 PM

ahhh ok makes sense, trim is a spring force.....thanks off to test

SSubsonic Click to see attachment

MarshmallowBBQ•6/23/23, 5:36 PM

Do we have size and location of the holes?

MMarshmallowBBQ Do we have size and location of the holes?

Number481•6/23/23, 5:37 PM

https://www.promoco-motors.com/products/BLDC/57BLF%20Series.pdf

MMarshmallowBBQ Do we have size and location of the holes?

SubsonicOP•6/23/23, 5:37 PM

you're welcome

SSubsonic you're welcome

MarshmallowBBQ•6/23/23, 5:38 PM

Thanks

NNumber481 https://www.promoco-motors.com/products/BLDC/57BLF%20Series.pdf

MarshmallowBBQ•6/23/23, 5:38 PM

Thank you

SubsonicOP•6/23/23, 5:49 PM

@walmis @kingjamez_rf @amadeus
All I can say is....Thanks! and WOW.
Trim working like it should and the effects are... AMAZE BAWLS!!
Thanks for the help from this great little corner of the internet and @walmis....thanks for developing this solution.
I will add in some of these points to the docs I am working on.

amadeus•6/23/23, 6:18 PM

yeah sorry i hadn't elaborated earlier -- was on a phone and didn't really feel like typing a ton out, but essentially the framework should be -- the Effects tabs are for your own customizations, they will apply, by default, as long as the game doesn't override them. If you use sticky, then the game won't be allowed to override those effects. In the settings tab, with the sliders -- you can think of those as overall scaling/limiters for how powerful the effects both from your effects tab, and the game can be. So my general thing -- start with everything at 100% in Settings tab (except friction -- that effect has a very strong tendency to cause uncontrolled oscillations -- personally I cap it around 7% under settings, but generally speaking, very few games in my experience even apply a friction effect).

amadeus•6/23/23, 6:20 PM

one effect i am particiularly fond of under settings, is Spring strength proportional dampingSpring strength proportional damping, i like to run it anywhere from 60-80% because it takes a lot of the bouncebounce out of any spring effects that are applied, and imo helps to make the whole thing mechanical. if you want to quickly test the effects of it, go into Effects, crank up spring to 100%, then with the default value for Spring strength proportional damping set (i think it's around 20%?) -- pull the stick to full deflection and let it naturally return to center, then crank that setting up to 100% and do the same, notice the difference?

SubsonicOP•6/23/23, 6:23 PM

@amadeus Thanks and no worries, we are all multi tasking.
I understood the hirarchy of the effect tab and settings tab but somehow did not connect the fact that SPRING is the key to the whole thing working like it should, especially trim. With spring set to zero....the stick is far less alive for affects and trim does nothing

SubsonicOP•6/23/23, 6:24 PM

I think my printer may be going constantly as the whole sim group is going to want one LOL

amadeus•6/23/23, 6:24 PM

spring is basically what games use to force the stick back to center

amadeus•6/23/23, 6:25 PM

and they may dynamically change that value over time to simulate air resistance and all that

SubsonicOP•6/23/23, 6:26 PM

makes sense now...sort of like "of course" once it sinks in

SSubsonic makes sense now...sort of like "of course" once it sinks in

kingjamez•6/23/23, 6:46 PM

Awesome that you got it going. Looking back, I think I gave misleading configs. I had spring turned off and sticky unchecked in the effects section, but the spring (and master, periodic, intertia, and damper) in the settings tab are set to 100%, so I was utilizing the game spring function too.

kingjamez•6/23/23, 6:47 PM

It is really freakin cool when you feel your stick move along with the trim and just like in a real plane, tune in for straight and level with no input. FFB is equal to VR in creating a sense of awe while flying.

SubsonicOP•6/23/23, 8:31 PM

Have to agree!

Thanks.....Will do! ALso, meant to ask....should I use the VP Hardwre Force trim? Or just use the D

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