You need to uncheck "sticky". That will override any effects the game sends.
You need to uncheck "sticky". That will override any effects the game sends.
SAs I mentioned, it shows off now since it is just off, but I have set it to on as it should be
SThe "spring" sticky?
WYes, disable that.
SThanks.....Will do!
ALso, meant to ask....should I use the VP Hardwre Force trim? Or just use the DCS settings and leave VP force Trim off and map the game trim controls as normal?
ALso, meant to ask....should I use the VP Hardwre Force trim? Or just use the DCS settings and leave VP force Trim off and map the game trim controls as normal?
ADCS one
Sdang this software is powerful!
S
A“Sticky” means that your software settings will override in game FFB. In DCS, “Spring” is the only effect that’s implemented though AFAIK
WYes, spring and some periodic shake/rumble effects
AAlso - spring shouldn’t be at 0% either? /cc @walmis?
WOh yes, def should not be zero
SYup, understood that from all the docs and chats, never thought it would override teh trim in that way though
Ssaturation?
AHe’s talking about the screenshot I linked — put all those sliders at 100%
AOnly tune them down if you find a game is applying too much effects
A
Sahh, the main slider, I see
Was not going to use spring at all until I found a convo with walmis and jager about center sensitivity and spring
Was not going to use spring at all until I found a convo with walmis and jager about center sensitivity and spring
SI am going to drop it all together and tweak if needed
SI am getting it now...if you turn on an effect, the slider itself needs to be at some value over 0. If you dont want any strength to the effect, disable it in effects tab
AI’d recommend not changing any settings in the app unless you’re trying to tune an existing plane, spring centering is what gets adjusted in the f-14 when trimming
AThose big sliders also change how much a game can apply
AYou basically told the game — never apply a spring
SThanks, going to drop everything back to vanilla, get trim working, then tweak from there
AGiven your green role color, sounds like you built a custom setup, but on the default rhino — we have that encoder dial we can turn to manually in real-time adjust how strong the spring effect is. Not sure if you added the equivalent for your setup, but probs best to just that dial that in real time to turn up/down the spring if you don’t like it so strong
KI just tried Trim on my system. I have nothing sticky, and only master gain set to 100%, then controlled by the potentiometer. and the only thing I did to DCS was set the trim buttons. My trim moves with the button presses.
K(on F-14A)
Scorrect, DIY build. Currently have one pot set to friction intensity and the other one I have changed between periodic effects and damper.
I do think my issue is sticky spring which I will remove all together and if I do add it I will set pot 2 to spring effects or master gain.
Thanks!!
I do think my issue is sticky spring which I will remove all together and if I do add it I will set pot 2 to spring effects or master gain.
Thanks!!
SThanks for the input.....testing it in a little bit
KI'd recommend setting a pot to master gain. Master gain affects the in game effects including trim.
MDo we have drawings for the 57BLF03? I would like to know its dimension
SThis is baffling.
no effects on
current settings
Mater gain set to pot1 and cranked to max
FFB on in DCS misc and F14 special for trim
I hit the trim hat...I see the trim move in the Rtcl-Enter display....stick stays put
no effects on
current settings
Mater gain set to pot1 and cranked to max
FFB on in DCS misc and F14 special for trim
I hit the trim hat...I see the trim move in the Rtcl-Enter display....stick stays put
WYour spring is at 0% in the screenshot above
SEven if not using the effect it needs to be above zero for trim to work?
WYes, now it essentially multiplies all spring forces created by the game by 0
Sahhh ok makes sense, trim is a spring force.....thanks off to test
MDo we have size and location of the holes?
Syou're welcome
MThanks
MThank you
S@walmis @kingjamez_rf @amadeus
All I can say is....Thanks! and WOW.
Trim working like it should and the effects are... AMAZE BAWLS!!
Thanks for the help from this great little corner of the internet and @walmis....thanks for developing this solution.
I will add in some of these points to the docs I am working on.
All I can say is....Thanks! and WOW.
Trim working like it should and the effects are... AMAZE BAWLS!!
Thanks for the help from this great little corner of the internet and @walmis....thanks for developing this solution.
I will add in some of these points to the docs I am working on.
Ayeah sorry i hadn't elaborated earlier -- was on a phone and didn't really feel like typing a ton out, but essentially the framework should be -- the Effects tabs are for your own customizations, they will apply, by default, as long as the game doesn't override them. If you use sticky, then the game won't be allowed to override those effects. In the settings tab, with the sliders -- you can think of those as overall scaling/limiters for how powerful the effects both from your effects tab, and the game can be. So my general thing -- start with everything at 100% in Settings tab (except friction -- that effect has a very strong tendency to cause uncontrolled oscillations -- personally I cap it around 7% under settings, but generally speaking, very few games in my experience even apply a friction effect).
Aone effect i am particiularly fond of under settings, is
Spring strength proportional damping, i like to run it anywhere from 60-80% because it takes a lot of the bounce out of any spring effects that are applied, and imo helps to make the whole thing mechanical. if you want to quickly test the effects of it, go into Effects, crank up spring to 100%, then with the default value for Spring strength proportional damping set (i think it's around 20%?) -- pull the stick to full deflection and let it naturally return to center, then crank that setting up to 100% and do the same, notice the difference?
S@amadeus Thanks and no worries, we are all multi tasking.
I understood the hirarchy of the effect tab and settings tab but somehow did not connect the fact that SPRING is the key to the whole thing working like it should, especially trim. With spring set to zero....the stick is far less alive for affects and trim does nothing
I understood the hirarchy of the effect tab and settings tab but somehow did not connect the fact that SPRING is the key to the whole thing working like it should, especially trim. With spring set to zero....the stick is far less alive for affects and trim does nothing
SI think my printer may be going constantly as the whole sim group is going to want one LOL
Aspring is basically what games use to force the stick back to center
Aand they may dynamically change that value over time to simulate air resistance and all that