@Gerblesh would you be interested in putting some thought into what an image switcher tool would loo

@Gerblesh would you be interested in putting some thought into what an image switcher tool would look like? I think bluefin/bazzite/custom images could use a generic method that we could hook into so people can rebase easier. For example I would just ship a button that switched people back and forth for bluefin. Here's some prior work: https://github.com/ublue-os/bluefin/issues/274

GitHub

Make a Developer mode toggle · Issue #274 · ublue-os/bluefin

aka. turbo button. I think a gui app that just let's you toggle it would be awesome but we could start with a quick set of just aliases, something like: just devmode-on just devmode-off Then ju...

Jj0rge @Gerblesh would you be interested in putting some thought into what an image swi...

Gerblesh•7/25/23, 6:53 PM

honestly it might be useful to not only create an image switcher, but also a sort of frontend for rpm-ostree, to handle deployments, rollingback, etc

Gerblesh•7/25/23, 6:54 PM

idk how plausible/within scope that would be though

j0rgeOP•7/25/23, 6:54 PM

yeah there's a full GUI set of tools that needs to be developed

j0rgeOP•7/25/23, 6:54 PM

but a .desktop file calling a script would do the job as duct tape.

Gerblesh•7/25/23, 6:55 PM

honestly would be nice if GNOME software or discover integrated stuff like rolling back and handling deployments though

j0rgeOP•7/25/23, 6:55 PM

or like how the deck has an icon to switch to desktop mode

j0rgeOP•7/25/23, 6:55 PM

I wouldn't hold our breaths, considering gnome software barely does the job it's designed to do.

Jj0rge I wouldn't hold our breaths, considering gnome software barely does the job it's...

Gerblesh•7/25/23, 6:56 PM

would be the ideal outcome, but yeah it's hard because these stores have to be distro agnostic and it might be too much effort to maintain for only one subsystem

Gerblesh•7/25/23, 6:57 PM

would be nice to integrate into kde settings/gnome settings though, i'd like to avoid making too many "apps" if that makes sense

j0rgeOP•7/25/23, 6:57 PM

october 12 is 23.10, and october 24th is Fedora 39 ... so I am hoping to have some semblence of "feature complete" for bluefin by around then, so trying to figure out what a minimum viable product looks like.

GGerblesh would be nice to integrate into kde settings/gnome settings though, i'd like to ...

Gerblesh•7/25/23, 6:58 PM

as in i'd want tighter integration with the respective desktop

j0rgeOP•7/25/23, 6:58 PM

I wish it was simple to just put a "developer mode" toggle in gnome settings and call it a day

Gerblesh•7/25/23, 6:58 PM

is it?

j0rgeOP•7/25/23, 7:00 PM

I'm not keen to carry a patch/rpm of gnome stuff though

akdev•7/25/23, 7:51 PM

The easiest option might be a gnome shell extension tbh

Bigpod•7/25/23, 8:00 PM

i think i said it before having gnome settings screen for switching distros and/or developer mode shouldnt be first priority anyway cause that means only gnome based things can consume it we should first target an agnostic way that isnt command line (i personally if i was more interested in switching would probably just make something web based and put it into a local PWA/electron app)

Aakdev The easiest option might be a gnome shell extension tbh

j0rgeOP•7/25/23, 8:02 PM

oh that's an interesting solution!

Gerblesh•7/25/23, 8:02 PM

if the goal is simply a development mode toggle for bluefin

Gerblesh•7/25/23, 8:02 PM

an extension would probably be the easiest, and most seamless

BBigpod i think i said it before having gnome settings screen for switching distros and/...

j0rgeOP•7/25/23, 8:02 PM

yeah I don't think that's going to happen outside of the CLI, I'm happy with a solution for downstream images.

j0rgeOP•7/25/23, 8:03 PM

like, who would want a big gui of all the main images anyway?

Gerblesh•7/25/23, 8:03 PM

that's what I mean

j0rgeOP•7/25/23, 8:03 PM

like are people switching DEs all the time? it'd be useful for youtubers and people who run linux websites

Jj0rge like are people switching DEs all the time? it'd be useful for youtubers and peo...

Gerblesh•7/25/23, 8:04 PM

well for that it's basically just CLI

Bigpod•7/25/23, 8:05 PM

well it might be usefull for testing but again that can be webui, but might also be of use as a oneoff installation program you just install it on silverblue run select a distro in gui and off you go

Bigpod•7/25/23, 8:06 PM

or maybe as a replacement for ISOS you install the installation system based on base with user creation and stuff like that in kiosk mode with final step being this app in which you select what you want it reboots and you have your install

Gerblesh•7/25/23, 8:06 PM

the end goal would be to have good tooling for making ISOs based on the OCI images, so people don't have to rebase, etc

Gerblesh•7/25/23, 8:07 PM

because rebasing can get messy

Bigpod•7/25/23, 8:09 PM

true but we should also make good experiance rebasing because well its a valid usecase at the end of the day i rebased my laptop multiple times when i wanted to go to KDE for some insane reason but then soon figured out that i was just insane for doing so and gone back it was just pain of entering command line, my dream is that for most things we wouldnt need command line unless we wanted it in linux

akdev•7/25/23, 8:09 PM

mkociso -f Containerfile -o boot.isomkociso -f Containerfile -o boot.iso

I would like some tool like this

Gerblesh•7/25/23, 8:10 PM

that would be incredibly handy

Gerblesh•7/25/23, 8:10 PM

we are probably gonna have to make it ourselves if we want it to become a reality

Aakdev `mkociso -f Containerfile -o boot.iso` I would like some tool like this 🤔

Bigpod•7/25/23, 8:12 PM

99% of people dont need or want an ISO creation tool they want to just load iso onto USB and install. At the end of the day what we actually need is a better installer that can take parameters during install process like image and install said image

akdev•7/25/23, 8:13 PM

That would be better but even then I'd still like the tool I said - would be useful when installing multiple systems and to generate ISOs for VMs

Bigpod•7/25/23, 8:13 PM

and much closer to that would be a post install app to rebase.

Gerblesh•7/25/23, 8:14 PM

(yafti)

Aakdev That would be better but even then I'd still like the tool I said - would be use...

Bigpod•7/25/23, 8:14 PM

sure but how many do actually install enought multiple systems for this to be a useful endevour, unless we go corporate not that many specially since this kinda makes you not need to reinstall basically ever

Gerblesh•7/25/23, 8:15 PM

we could easily just add a couple of plugins to yafti to allow image selection, rebasing, developer toggle, etc

GGerblesh (yafti)

Bigpod•7/25/23, 8:15 PM

i didnt mean post install app like that look at how i explained above (maybe as a replacement for ISOS you install the installation system based on base with user creation and stuff like that in kiosk mode with final step being this app in which you select what you want it reboots and you have your install)

Gerblesh•7/25/23, 8:15 PM

Bigpod•7/25/23, 8:17 PM

basically what i said is if we had image selector app we could basically put it onto a barely there image have all the steps of ootb experiance you find in fedora(user creation...) and then just allow user to select which image they want system reboots and voila they have their system ready

Bigpod•7/25/23, 8:19 PM

i would just want to create as small an image as possible basically the app x or wayland and enought to do the stuff during ootb

Bigpod•7/25/23, 8:19 PM

and it could even apply kargs for nvidia when nvidia images are selected.

j0rgeOP•7/25/23, 9:43 PM

alright I'm going to go the gnome extension route.

Jj0rge alright I'm going to go the gnome extension route.

Gerblesh•7/25/23, 9:48 PM

Yeah probably the best way to go about it

Jj0rge alright I'm going to go the gnome extension route.

akdev•7/25/23, 9:49 PM

Maybe this can help: https://discourse.gnome.org/t/creating-an-extension-with-a-simple-toggle-button/8794

GNOME Discourse

Creating an extension with a simple toggle button

I’d like to create a minimal extension that has a simple toggle button without menu. I simply want the icon that appears in the gnome panel to directly be a toggle button. I found plenty of examples involving toggle buttons within submenus, but I can’t figure out how to register a click handler on the icon directly. Any ideas? const { GObject...

Gerblesh•7/25/23, 9:49 PM

A full on rebasing app could fuck up people's systems too, I've heard stories about people rebasing so many times that all the dotfiles are fucked and shit starts to get wack

j0rgeOP•7/25/23, 9:49 PM

apps messing with people's dotfiles are not our fault

akdev•7/25/23, 9:50 PM

yeah rebasing isn't completely safe

j0rgeOP•7/25/23, 9:50 PM

apps are breaking spec, they should be fixed

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