idk, the only mod i have ever used is optifine and even then that's a recent thing from what i have

idk, the only mod i have ever used is optifine and even then that's a recent thing
from what i have seen though yeah modding looks horrible both to use and to develop

Maxine•8/6/23, 11:40 PM

the optifine dev is also a real scumbag

AAqua idk, the only mod i have ever used is optifine and even then that's a recent thi...

Lyris the Kitori•8/6/23, 11:40 PM

optifine is old

AquaOP•8/6/23, 11:40 PM

still seems to be updated tho?

Lyris the Kitori•8/6/23, 11:40 PM

yes

Lyris the Kitori•8/6/23, 11:40 PM

but yes, optifine dev is bad

Maxine•8/6/23, 11:40 PM

optifine used to be called optimine in the beta days

Perksey•8/6/23, 11:40 PM

but yeah Bukkit and Spigot are totally in violation of the DMCA act, there’s a reason they’ve got their own stash instance hosted on Romanian servers

MMaxine the optifine dev is also a real scumbag

King•8/6/23, 11:40 PM

I love that basically every single "optifine makes this mod crash" gets a borderline autoresponse of "lol idc"

King•8/6/23, 11:41 PM

From the optifine dev

Maxine•8/6/23, 11:41 PM

i actually had optifine on my beta 1.7.3 instance because it fixes some GPU support issues

AquaOP•8/6/23, 11:41 PM

how is the optifine dev bad lol

Perksey•8/6/23, 11:41 PM

I had a laptop that I absolutely had to sue optifine on for MC to even have sensible frame rates

KKing I love that basically every single "optifine makes this mod crash" gets a border...

Maxine•8/6/23, 11:41 PM

it's really hard to make an "optimization mod" that isn't incompatible with like all other mods

MMaxine i actually had optifine on my beta 1.7.3 instance because it fixes some GPU supp...

TechPizza•8/6/23, 11:42 PM

suspicious, i don't recall optifine doing anything magical in b1.7.3

KKing Now we just need to add mod support or compatibility via some kind of java voodo...

Perksey•8/6/23, 11:42 PM

fun fact: when .NET 5 was originally announced they promised Java interop everywhere. And when it finally released they quietly conveniently forgot they ever said anything about it haha

MMaxine it's really hard to make an "optimization mod" that isn't incompatible with like...

Lyris the Kitori•8/6/23, 11:42 PM

idk sodium does a quite good job

Lyris the Kitori•8/6/23, 11:42 PM

the fabric side of modding is a lot more compatible when it comes to rendering mods

PPerksey fun fact: when .NET 5 was originally announced they promised Java interop everyw...

King•8/6/23, 11:42 PM

Wouldn't suprise me if the reason for that was Oracle being boobs again

LLyris the Kitori the fabric side of modding is a lot more compatible when it comes to rendering m...

Lyris the Kitori•8/6/23, 11:43 PM

even huge rendering effecting mods like create and valkryan skies 2 work fine with sodium

Perksey•8/6/23, 11:43 PM

Haha, I still love how they reacted to J#

Perksey•8/6/23, 11:43 PM

there’s still loads of silly features of the CLI that existed purely because of Java/J#

Perksey•8/6/23, 11:43 PM

like covariant arrays

Lyris the Kitori•8/6/23, 11:44 PM

command line interface

King•8/6/23, 11:44 PM

I'm still convinced the only reason for J# existing was cause some person was just really really like "OMG I GIVE ME THE GODDAMN UNSIGNED"

LLyris the Kitori command line interface

Perksey•8/6/23, 11:44 PM

Knobs language infrastructure

Perksey•8/6/23, 11:44 PM

OR EVEN COMMON LANGUAGE INFRASTRUCTURE

KKing I'm still convinced the only reason for J# existing was cause some person was ju...

Lyris the Kitori•8/6/23, 11:45 PM

you can do unsigned in java by just using JNI to call into a better language like C or C++

Lyris the Kitori•8/6/23, 11:45 PM

then writing all your code in C/C++

Lyris the Kitori•8/6/23, 11:45 PM

then removing java

King•8/6/23, 11:45 PM

ewww don't remind me

King•8/6/23, 11:45 PM

I once tried implementing like... encryption into java

King•8/6/23, 11:45 PM

that involved unsigned bitshifting

AquaOP•8/6/23, 11:45 PM

wait java doesnt support unsigned?

Perksey•8/6/23, 11:45 PM

Nope

King•8/6/23, 11:45 PM

and after like days of trying, turns out java don't like unsigned anything, not even bitshifting

AquaOP•8/6/23, 11:45 PM

what

Lyris the Kitori•8/6/23, 11:46 PM

the easiest way to do it in pure java iirc is to use the next biggest type, then emulate the smaller type using bitmasks

King•8/6/23, 11:46 PM

I tried just using longs instead but yeah... when you work with encryption stuff and don't really have an entire college's worth of math knowledge

King•8/6/23, 11:46 PM

It becomes very impossible and very depressing

Lyris the Kitori•8/6/23, 11:46 PM

yea welcome to java]

AAqua *what*

Lyris the Kitori•8/6/23, 11:47 PM

yeah, theres 0 unsigned types in java i think aside from char?

King•8/6/23, 11:47 PM

And the worst part was that the encryption was like... XTEA

King•8/6/23, 11:47 PM

1000 years old and the most baby tier encryption stuff ever

King•8/6/23, 11:47 PM

and yet... nope

LLyris the Kitori yeah, theres 0 unsigned types in java i think aside from char?

AquaOP•8/6/23, 11:47 PM

that is
an ouch
wtf
why
there is no logic in this

Lyris the Kitori•8/6/23, 11:48 PM

its simpler™

AquaOP•8/6/23, 11:48 PM

b r u h

LLyris the Kitori its simpler\™️

King•8/6/23, 11:48 PM

^ literally every single Q&A on the matter you find will say something along those lines

Lyris the Kitori•8/6/23, 11:48 PM

yup

Lyris the Kitori•8/6/23, 11:48 PM

thats the official stance

idk, the only mod i have ever used is optifine and even then that's a recent thing from what i have

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