not sure I follow exactly the symptom you are describing. Can you elaborate? Does it only happen w

not sure I follow exactly the symptom you are describing. Can you elaborate? Does it only happen with adaptive centering enabled?
In general, for issues I have seen related to force trim in helicopters.. Make sure you do not have any curves in your axis settings in DCS and make sure your Rhino calibration is accurate in VPf configurator

FFer Hello using ah-64 with adaptativo center the stick got very stiff and some time ...

Hazzer111•9/13/23, 3:16 PM

Possibly need to swap ffb axis in the dcs settings. Sounds like your force trim maybe trimming the wrong axis?

NNumber481 not sure I follow exactly the symptom you are describing. Can you elaborate? D...

Fer•9/13/23, 3:21 PM

Yes it just happen when adaptive centering enabled, when off it’s all normal.

VPforceBot•9/13/23, 3:39 PM

:package:

RHINO #0191 Has Shipped!

Fer•9/13/23, 4:25 PM

And yes the su don’t have no curves

Fer•9/13/23, 4:26 PM

And x/y axis are ok

jc523•9/13/23, 7:46 PM

For the pre-built Rhinos, how long is the lead from the power adapter to the base? What type of power connector is used?

My Rhino shipped today, and I'm trying to determine if I need to mount the power adapter on my motion rig, or if the power lead is long enough to be mounted on my rack below the rig.

Jjc523 wow, that waiting list is getting long

mark turner•9/13/23, 7:50 PM

Who knew that FFB would be so popular....goes to show a LOT of people take this simming very seriously....

VVPforceBot :package: 🇧🇪 **RHINO #0191** Has Shipped!

Simon2012•9/13/23, 7:53 PM

Can't wait !

Jjc523 For the pre-built Rhinos, how long is the lead from the power adapter to the bas...

Number481OP•9/13/23, 8:04 PM

Assuming the supplier hasn't changed since mine was shipped in May, the power supply lead is only about 3'. But it is a standard 5.5mx2.5mm DC plug. I am using a 6' extension with a 90 degree end (male side) on mine.

Mmark turner Who knew that FFB would be so popular....goes to show a LOT of people take this ...

Bob Bushman•9/13/23, 8:17 PM

It's almost like we are a bunch of 40 something, chasing a 20+ year old dream we've long given up on, mostly..

Jon (Bounty_V)•9/13/23, 9:26 PM

We're in a golden age of flight sim.

BBob Bushman It's almost like we are a bunch of 40 something, chasing a 20+ year old dream we...

mechsicko•9/13/23, 9:30 PM

I feel personally attacked!

Bob Bushman•9/13/23, 9:32 PM

I just simply described myself

NNumber481 Assuming the supplier hasn't changed since mine was shipped in May, the power s...

jc523•9/13/23, 10:03 PM

great, thank you

BBob Bushman I just simply described myself 😂

Will3D•9/14/23, 2:21 AM

And likely 80% of others on this board.

BBob Bushman It's almost like we are a bunch of 40 something, chasing a 20+ year old dream we...

Hans mein Igel•9/14/23, 5:53 AM

Have we met?

VPforceBot•9/14/23, 9:40 AM

:package:

RHINO #0194 Has Shipped!

Duchess ✈•9/14/23, 1:55 PM

Who has mounted a Rhino to a DOFReality H6/P6?

VPforceBot•9/14/23, 2:13 PM

:package:

RHINO #0195 Has Shipped!

JJon (Bounty_V)We're in a golden age of flight sim.

blave549•9/14/23, 2:25 PM

I was JUST telling a friend this a couple days ago. With VR, FFB, MSFS, and DCS (sorry X-Plane) and the wide range of flight controls available, we are fortunate indeed to have the toyz that we have.

VPforceBot•9/14/23, 2:28 PM

:package:

RHINO #0196 Has Shipped!

Bblave549 I was JUST telling a friend this a couple days ago. With VR, FFB, MSFS, and DCS ...

Bob Bushman•9/14/23, 2:32 PM

Quite a long way from the ol serial port joysticks.

And having to choose between not loading joystick drivers, sound drivers or the mouse driver..

Wasnt really that hard, if I had use of my joystick I didnt need the mouse so much.

Wwalmis Next firmware will address this

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𝔐𝔬𝔯𝔭𝔥𝔦𝔫𝔢 💀•9/14/23, 5:59 PM

I'm also looking forward to having the ability to use the Realsimulator F-16 grip! Do you have the info needed to enable that one in addition to the F-18 grip?

�𝔐𝔬𝔯𝔭𝔥𝔦𝔫𝔢 💀I'm also looking forward to having the ability to use the Realsimulator F-16 gri...

MashedPotato•9/14/23, 9:21 PM

They use very similar firmware, and if the fix is what I think it is, it should also apply to the F-16

harf4ng•9/14/23, 9:26 PM

What does it mean when my assigned S/N changes? This is because some people changed their mind and cancelled orders?

Hharf4ng What does it mean when my assigned S/N changes? This is because some people chan...

f14billy•9/14/23, 9:51 PM

I think so. Mine has changed a few times.

Bob Bushman•9/14/23, 10:03 PM

My serial has moved up by about 75 so far.

SSeattime Agree, so installed mine under the sim floor..

Will3D•9/15/23, 3:24 AM

Yup, that was my intention as well. However I struggled to get the force I was wanting due to the longer extension. And then, as mentioned, it wasn't great as a heli cyclic. I'm rebuilding the base now, but I'll hopefully have something that is kinda half under the floor. Something of a compromise. Hopefully it doesn't end up looking like a dogs breakfast.

Will3D•9/15/23, 3:25 AM

If I was building a cockpit dedicated to one aircraft it would be soooo much easier!

Will3D•9/15/23, 3:26 AM

Ironically I have found myself flying the F16 in DCS, which of course doesn't even have a central stick

WWill3D Yup, that was my intention as well. However I struggled to get the force I was w...

Seattime•9/15/23, 4:54 AM

My servos are installed in the Yoke setup at the moment, but remember the stick being more then adequate torque wise, even with the long throw.. I still have my Warthog stick setup installed for modern jets, as they are FBW. When I have the cash will purchase more servos and refit out the stick housing for warbirds, old jets and helis.

dco0l•9/15/23, 3:11 PM

So I've printed pretty much everything I need except for the large pulleys. What print setting would you recommend for PLA? I was thinking about 4 perimeters and 40% infill so the inertial mass won't be too high. I was also thinking about locally increasing the center part's infill to 100% in order to reduce creep caused by the clamping force of the bolts.

Jehly•9/16/23, 12:46 AM

I personally went 4/40% on my pedals. Works great. Super strong

Aiva•9/17/23, 6:56 AM

Could anyone comment If any of these statements are relevant to Rhino?

"Winwing" we have already achieved torque closed-loop force feedback capabilities within our certified flight training devices—a technological marvel surpassing any prevailing 'open-loop' counterparts saturating today's market...
Currently available consumer-grade force feedback products and some ongoing demos suffer from issues such as excessive inertia, dead zones in the gearbox mechanism, and cogging effects (resulting in less smooth operation due to inherent magnetic pole switching of motors). While these products may offer features like responsiveness, vibration control, and dynamic forces, they simply cannot achieve precise manipulation. Moreover, they risk inducing erroneous muscle memory for pilots and lack practical applicability.

https://forum.dcs.world/topic/333680-interview-with-winwing-founder-alex-li/

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Interview with Winwing founder Alex Li

Dear friends of the DCS and sim community. In my Blog (El vuelo de la Gran Avutarda) I had the pleasure to interview Alex Li, who is the product manager and founder of WINWING. Chengdu WinWing Tech Co., LTD established in March 2013, specialized in research,development, production and sale of Fli...

AAiva Could anyone comment If any of these statements are relevant to Rhino? > "Winwin...

Troll 🇸🇪 🇳🇴•9/17/23, 8:30 AM

I’m guessing that by “open loop” he means regular mechanical spring force centering joysticks, as I don’t see any FFB solutions “saturating the market”. As for the rest, I expect he is blowing his own horn. But it’s great to see controller developers going forth with FFB solutions for personal use

Number481OP•9/17/23, 1:19 PM

Specifically related to the description of other FFB devices…

excessive inertia, dead zones in the gearbox mechanism, and cogging effects (resulting in less smooth operation due to inherent magnetic pole switching of motors).

The Rhino suffers from exactly zero of these.

Bob Bushman•9/17/23, 1:19 PM

I may be uninformed but so far the only 'publicly' prevailing ffb sticks ive known of are surviving sidewinders and Brünner.

smitty•9/17/23, 2:13 PM

funny! if you want to increase immersion with some other FFB effects, heres some ideas: https://twitter.com/picturesfoider/status/1702323236556701902

non aesthetic things (@PicturesFoIder)

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AndyHill•9/17/23, 2:33 PM

I tend to like WW products and it's totally understandable that a company would want to toot their own horn, but they are pretty good at tooting their own horn

AndyHill•9/17/23, 2:34 PM

would be interesting to see what they come up with

Bob Bushman•9/17/23, 2:38 PM

Oh, yeah bought the combat and take off panels a while back and an orion2 and f16 throttle grip earlier this summer.
And the mfd frames are tempting me a little..

AndyHill•9/17/23, 2:41 PM

I wonder if those combat panels are still going to be available

Bob Bushman•9/17/23, 2:42 PM

No idea, ww so far has a history of just not restocking all while claiming it will be back soon, until they just let slip they stopped making it six months ago.

Bob Bushman•9/17/23, 2:44 PM

If I was to consider a new gimbal it would be a firce sensing one.

For 'regular' I'll judt wait for my rhino number to ping.

DrQuinn•9/18/23, 12:52 AM

Anyone know how to re-load the firmware?

AAndyHill I wonder if those combat panels are still going to be available

PiNKSH!T•9/18/23, 3:18 PM

No the old ones are no longer for sale the new take off panel is out soon or maybe now, a new combat panel is coming, but they messed up & didn't separate the panels into left & right, like last time the wing fold is on the same panel as the parking brake etc. so not able to have things on the correct side, imho this was a mistake & a massive oversight I'm sure they would of seen the feedback about making the panels have the correct things together for a left & right set up, the new takeoff panel does look really good though.

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𝔐𝔬𝔯𝔭𝔥𝔦𝔫𝔢 💀•9/18/23, 4:29 PM

I recently removed my WinWing F-16 grip to try some other extensions. mounting location, etc. Putting it back on, the Rhino no longer recognizes the button pushes even connected directly with the WW adapter. It still recognizes the button pushes from my Vipril Alpha grip so I don't think the problem resides in the Rhino. Does anyone have a suggestion on how to test the WW Grip and Adapter without owning a WW Base? I also just updated to v1.0.15 but since the Virpil works, I don't think that is the problem. TIA

walmis•9/18/23, 5:52 PM

Can you set the grip type to DebugDebug and check the output. If it's all FFs then it doesn't detect the adapter, otherwise the adapter does not detect the grip.

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𝔐𝔬𝔯𝔭𝔥𝔦𝔫𝔢 💀•9/18/23, 6:56 PM

@walmis Looks like the adapter is good but grip is not working?

[11:52:50.095] * USB Connected
[11:52:50.250] Motor 0 active
[11:52:50.250] Motor 1 active
[11:52:50.250] Motor 0 active
[11:53:08.366] Config received
[11:53:08.371] Config written to flash
[11:53:20.235] Config received
[11:53:20.235] FF FF FF FF FF FF FF 00 00 08 00 08 00 08 00 08
[11:53:20.434] FF FF FF FF FF FF FF 00 00 08 00 08 00 08 00 08
[11:53:20.635] FF FF FF FF FF FF FF 00 00 08 00 08 00 08 00 08
[11:53:20.836] FF FF FF FF FF FF FF 00 00 08 00 08 00 08 00 08
[11:53:21.037] FF FF FF FF FF FF FF 00 00 08 00 08 00 08 00 08
[11:53:21.238] FF FF FF FF FF FF FF 00 00 08 00 08 00 08 00 08
[11:53:21.440] FF FF FF FF FF FF FF 00 00 08 00 08 00 08 00 08
[11:53:21.640] FF FF FF FF FF FF FF 00 00 08 00 08 00 08 00 08
[11:53:21.841] FF FF FF FF FF FF FF 00 00 08 00 08 00 08 00 08

PPiNKSH!T No the old ones are no longer for sale the new take off panel is out soon or may...

ddrake1984•9/18/23, 11:50 PM

Agreed, I think they were just going for “add all the things” on a single panel, not trying to do replica.. I think only the taurus panel is close (but even then its not exact)

not sure I follow exactly the symptom you are describing. Can you elaborate? Does it only happen w

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