Try as I might, I can't get the stick buttons to work in-game in IL-2, they register as buttons in o

Try as I might, I can't get the stick buttons to work in-game in IL-2, they register as buttons in options in IL-2, but they don't actually do anything once in-cockpit and actually flying.

TToreDL87 Try as I might, I can't get the stick buttons to work in-game in IL-2, they regi...

walmis•9/22/23, 8:17 PM

I'm not very familiar with VKB software, but maybe worth a check via the VKB native software?

walmis•9/22/23, 8:17 PM

The hardware is very simple - just a pass through cable connection

ToreDL87OP•9/22/23, 9:17 PM

All is well according to VKB software.
So i reset all in-game controls to default and set everything up again, now nothing works in game, no pitch no roll etc

ToreDL87OP•9/22/23, 9:18 PM

Registers just fine when mapping, just doesn't actually work in-flight

ToreDL87OP•9/22/23, 9:18 PM

Had no issues until today.

ToreDL87OP•9/22/23, 10:12 PM

Now not even the MSFFB2 works in IL-2, I can't actually play the game, non VKB stuff is affected by this issue.
Had no issues, for years, up until the Rhino was physically connected to the computer, after that, everything went biscuits.

Number481•9/22/23, 10:34 PM

Surely something foundational is going on that’s causing the issue? Did you reboot after running the command suggested to fix the connecting issue before you discovered the usb hub was the problem?

ToreDL87OP•9/23/23, 12:46 AM

I did.
This took a few hours to figure out, but I couldn't leave it on a sour note, that would be unfair.
I took the stick off and unplugged it, running just the VPForce, rudder and throttle quadrant, and it all worked again.
So that left the stick, I changed the Warthog stick from VKB adapter to stock Thrustmaster Warthog, and plugged it in it worked, all inputs worked, game works.
Now I finished a round of testing after changed it back to VKB adapter with Rhino Adapter, which again didn't work, then back to Thrustmaster which works, so the issue appears to be the adapter between the Rhino and the VKB.

ToreDL87OP•9/23/23, 12:47 AM

I don't know why the Rhino>VKB adapter>Warthog combination doesn't work, maybe it's just not written in the code.
Either way, it works now

ToreDL87OP•9/23/23, 12:48 AM

The reason I was hesitant to open up the stick and switch out the adapter is because I was hoping I could still use it on my VKB base as well, but "that dog just ain't gonna hunt"

AndyHill•9/23/23, 12:58 AM

It's just probably Il-2 being weird

AndyHill•9/23/23, 1:00 AM

it has an incredibly dumb controller interface, I've literally never before seen a game that has controls bindable and perfectly functional in the setup menu but don't show up in-game at all - but that's just one of the Il-2 quirks. Usually the right move is to reduce the number of active controllers to bare minimum.

AAndyHill It's just probably Il-2 being weird

ToreDL87OP•9/23/23, 1:28 AM

Yeah at this moment I'm chalking it up to IL-2 being IL-2, that controller interface is pretty garbage ngl, they certainly could have done a much better job with that, and people on the forums have been telling them as much.

TToreDL87 Yeah at this moment I'm chalking it up to IL-2 being IL-2, that controller inter...

LeLv30_Superbus•9/23/23, 11:22 AM

I have also had trouble getting IL-2 actually use the controls in the game even though they work when I set them up. Strange as it may seem, being in VR or pancake affects it too. Recommendation is to never bind controls in VR (which I would prefer to do) but switch to pancake. Then they work in VR .

LeLv30_Superbus•9/23/23, 11:24 AM

Controller support in IL-2 is awry.

leninjahd•9/23/23, 12:36 PM

what does Trim Release Button do?

Lleninjahd what does Trim Release Button do?

Number481•9/23/23, 12:39 PM

Its part of the hardware force trim implementation. Pushing trim release button will remove spring forces until the button is released. Where you release the button, the new "center" of the spring forces will be where you released it

NNumber481 Its part of the hardware force trim implementation. Pushing trim release button...

leninjahd•9/23/23, 12:40 PM

ooh thats cool

Number481•9/23/23, 12:42 PM

mostly for emulating helicopter force trim if a simulator doesn't support it natively

leninjahd•9/23/23, 12:42 PM

Is there a way to "lock" trim so it only works on the pitch axis? This would simulate glider trim correctly (LS4 for example)

Number481•9/23/23, 12:45 PM

not in configurator that I know of. I did write a force-trim implementation for helicopters in TelemFFB for MSFS that works the same way. If you describe how the system works on a glider it could probably be done in TelemFFB.

leninjahd•9/23/23, 12:46 PM

On most gliders you have a sort of pedal behind the stick, which moves the spring center to the position to the current stick position

leninjahd•9/23/23, 12:47 PM

The Green grip behind the main stick

Mustang 1-1•9/23/23, 12:48 PM

You could do the trim setting you want easily. Simply only bind controls for motorized trim for your pitch. Don’t do roll.

Mustang 1-1•9/23/23, 12:49 PM

Or is there more to it

Lleninjahd On most gliders you have a sort of pedal behind the stick, which moves the sprin...

Number481•9/23/23, 12:50 PM

so its like a physical disconnect from the spring system? Is it a "pull-and-hold" action on the lever until you get the stick where you want?

MMustang 1-1 You could do the trim setting you want easily. Simply only bind controls for mot...

Number481•9/23/23, 12:50 PM

different from standard trim controls.. this behaves more like a helicopter force-trim system

NNumber481 so its like a physical disconnect from the spring system? Is it a "pull-and-hol...

leninjahd•9/23/23, 12:51 PM

Kind of, I think i can record a video for you tomorrow

leninjahd•9/23/23, 12:54 PM

This is a different glider type, the difference is, that on this one you move a trim lever. To do that on the LS4 you pull the trim lever and then the trim moves to the stick position and stays there when you release it.

leninjahd•9/23/23, 12:55 PM

You have to ignore that the trim lever moves a bit with the stick, that is because it wasnt tighted properly in this clip

Number481•9/23/23, 12:58 PM

interesting.. I think the best we could approximate in TelemFFB is a button binding (could use the paddle on grip) that removes only the elevator spring force and re-centers it when released.

Jaeger•9/23/23, 2:37 PM

What would this cable be called (specs), so I can get a replacement. The Y axis stopped working suddenly for no reason. First thing that crossed my mind that it would be a loose connector, so I opened up the stick, but all was seated. With fiddeling at the cable, the motor came alive. So I placed it that it works, closed the stick up and went flying. Net though, it won't stay for long, so I better get me a spare.

JJaeger What would this cable be called (specs), so I can get a replacement. The Y axis ...

Subsonic•9/23/23, 8:14 PM

Yea, those connectors are fragile.
Get yourself this kit...

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Wwalmis Could be the USB wiring on the usb socket side. You can try to unscrew it and pu...

Hextopia•9/24/23, 8:21 PM

I know this is a very belated response, but I've been busy moving into a new house and job, so I've not had time to mess around with this.

I finally pulled the port out and took a look, and I don't see any obvious issues or damage, but the stick is recognized when I plug it in with the port removed, so I can only assume it was an issue with the solder points on the port that's not visible (maybe a cold joint?)

Hextopia•9/24/23, 8:23 PM

I'll put it back together and if needed, I'll resolder the connections and see if that fixes the issue.

JIGGAwest•9/24/23, 11:04 PM

If you disconnect the USB while loaded into DCS. Is there a way to have DCS find the Rhino again? Rescan devices didn't work.

DrQuinn•9/24/23, 11:29 PM

Trim function doesn't seem to work, doesn't move with assigned buttons, but will move with a non-assigned button.

DDrQuinn Trim function doesn't seem to work, doesn't move with assigned buttons, but will...

walmis•9/25/23, 4:53 AM

Hardware trim? If so do you have the latest .16-1 configurator version?

JJIGGAwest If you disconnect the USB while loaded into DCS. Is there a way to have DCS find...

GarrafaBr•9/25/23, 5:56 AM

What about activating Enable Hotplug, the button next to the rescan devices you mention from Keybinding screen? Sometimes when I loose the ffb in DCS I just have to re-slot.

GarrafaBr•9/25/23, 5:57 AM

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GGarrafaBr What about activating Enable Hotplug, the button next to the rescan devices you ...

JIGGAwest•9/25/23, 6:51 AM

I didn't try to reslot. I'll try that thanks.

N7783L•9/25/23, 1:09 PM

@walmis - Are the kits on waiting lists or just the full base? Do the USB electronics encode the stick positions or are separate sensors needed? I saw there are some potentiometer inputs - trim or control inputs? Are those compatible with Hall effect sensors too if they are control inputs? Looks like a really great sim accessory!

NN7783L @walmis - Are the kits on waiting lists or just the full base? Do the USB electr...

walmis•9/25/23, 1:13 PM

The kits don't have a waiting list and are quick to ship. Motors act like stick position sensors, so no additional sensors are needed. The pot inputs have various functions assignable via UI and can be axis control inputs. Hall sensor 0-3.3V will work too.

N7783L•9/25/23, 1:18 PM

Thank you, @walmis! Are the middle size motors enough to stand up a full length stick? Just PVC with a Warthog grip on it about 2 feet long.

Wwalmis The kits don't have a waiting list and are quick to ship. Motors act like stick ...

Fierce_Fire•9/25/23, 1:58 PM

Is there a way to correct for crosstalk for certain gimbal designs?

N7783L•9/25/23, 2:56 PM

@walmis - sent you a PM about my order…

Sharkku•9/25/23, 10:21 PM

Hi! Just recieved mine - super impressed with build quality. However, when I try to update firmware via https://vpforcecontrols.com/usb/rhino/ I get an error: "Error: NetworkError: Failed to execute 'claimInterface' on 'USBDevice': Unable to claim interface." Any ideas anyone? Googling doesn't make me wiser...

DrQuinn•9/25/23, 10:45 PM

I think it's an error on their end, mine is also doing the same.

Sharkku•9/25/23, 10:56 PM

Ah, ok... We'll have to wait for a fix then...

papiplanes•9/26/23, 12:11 AM

Anyone able to use force trim with UH60 dcs mod? Can’t get it to hold new stick position when trimming

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