BMust admit i was curious, still some 280 days left for me 
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RHINO #0206 Has Shipped!
RHINO #0206 Has Shipped!
TOoo, another Kiwi….Watch out for the tax man
EMy guess is that queue is already very long. I doubt that hiring someone would increase the price on its own. More users of the stick translates to more orders if/when the product is performing well. Less queue-time also leads to more orders. More orders translates to bigger purchases of components -> lower component prices.
MGuys I have two things. So I just got my rhino and I am now testing it out as you would. Let me say after using a cls-e brunner with a long extension and metal joystick, it really sucks. Bro compared to that the rhino takes some muscle to pull it out of trim or if under g load! And for prepar3d. I am convinced p3d ffb works better than dcs ffb. I had to tick an option and what effects I wanted in the sim and dude it is implemented better than dcs. I haven’t tried xplane. But yeah this thing is crazy man.
MAnd I have a certain aircraft where it’s also coded in the .cfg file so the effects are true-life
MAs this works, I am sure xplane will too.
MThanks so much @walmis
MT-38C talon flight simulator and T-6A Texan
NDoes P3D have native FFB support then?
MYes
MIt’s amazing. And if you are having troubles with it I have some code I can give you to plug into your aircraft.cfg file
MI have code from a commercial module
AThat would be me 
FCan you share it ?
MYou would have to send me the aircraft file in the simobjects folder. It’s really complicated in where it needs to go. What aircraft do you fly. I can post the code if you want but you will have no clue where to put it.
FI fly the feelthere ejets
MOkay. Go to your p3d file directory and go to the simobjects folder and copy the aircraft folder(s) you want ffb in. Send them to me somehow and I will see what I can do.
MThere’s a possibility there’s nothing I can do. It’s all up to the developer in the more advanced code I can’t edit. You will also have to enable ffb in p3d client settings
TWonder if Combat Flight Sim 3 (with a floriad of cool mods over the years) would have nice FFB too then (even if the engine is slightly older).
SThe Rhino Base is 800€ not 1.000€ or am I missing something?
JConvert that plus shipping to $ and its pretty accurate
SAh right - thanks for clarifying 
BOr shipping+ 25% tax, you get there and then some.
H@_gunzablazin I'm still confused by the discussion. Does this logical recentering of the stick origin require changing the settings up in the VP force program? Because by default I'm fairly sure that's not the behavior of the stick. Or maybe is that one of the effects of using the telemFFB program?
WDCS changes the center point when you trim certain aircraft, namely F-14, F-5, russian jets, WWII warbirds and others. For helos when you press trim release and move the stick to a new position and release it, the stick will be spring centered in that new physical position
NNo on both accounts. It is part of the DCS FFB implementation. DCS tells the base what the new center is when you release the force trim
NI have only been trying to explain why instant trim is the correct mode for FFB and why it behaves the way it does with standard sprung joysticks
HI think a better way to resolve my confusion is to just ask what the functional difference is between the instant trim and stick with no spring and FFB setting
HBecause all of what you're describing is also the behavior of the no spring and FFB trim setting from what I've seen
NWell you’ll have to ask Eagle dynamics and/or the module developers because my understanding is that the “no springs and FFB” option is for regular non FFB joysticks without springs that rely on friction clutches. And, in my experience, the option does not activate FFB in any way (and therefor does not work). At least in UH1
NBest to try all options and pick the one that works best for you the way you want to fly helos.
HThis is where my confusion comes in. I'll have to do some experimenting and report back on what the functional difference is
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RHINO #0207 Has Shipped!
RHINO #0207 Has Shipped!FOk I’ll sent to you in a moment.
MOkay
MI am currently gone and will be home at 5. It’s 9am for me so it’s gonna be about the day till I can do it.
MHope that’s fine
FJust paid for my DIY kit. So much work ahead of me. 
Sit's fun work though, so not really work
FI've been picking at this project for 23 years...
Soh your have that f15 cockpit right? how are you going to integrate the motors? bellcranks on those shafts that come thru the floor?
FYeah, it's either going to be bellcranks or rack & pinion. The fact that the system can do multiple revolutions is what sold me on it.
Sit can, but you have to have it centered when you power it up
FThat could be problematic...
Swhat size motor did you get
FThe largest one listed.
Si'd suggest a 10:1 gearbox for it
Fwhat for?
Si assume the shaft coming thru the floor only makes a partial rotation right? so you'd want that sweep angle to do a full rotation on the motor
