There's also a ton of pre-established tweaks and fixes and setting adjustment by the community to ge

There's also a ton of pre-established tweaks and fixes and setting adjustment by the community to get as much performance as possible out of the Aero for flight sim

Bob Bushman•10/9/23, 12:53 PM

And honestly don't really see it as that much of a competition for the varjo in general.

Jon (Bounty_V)OP•10/9/23, 12:53 PM

They are similar in 2 ways

1) they are similarly priced
2) they don't have built in audio solutions

Jon (Bounty_V)OP•10/9/23, 12:54 PM

oh I guess 3, since both rely on Lighthouse 2.0 tracking

AndyHill•10/9/23, 12:54 PM

am I wrong in thinking that one of the strengths of the BSB is that you can easily use whatever headphones you'd normally use?

Jon (Bounty_V)OP•10/9/23, 12:54 PM

No, but you can do the same thing with the Aero

Jon (Bounty_V)OP•10/9/23, 12:54 PM

The primary appeal of the BSB is the small and light form factor

Bob Bushman•10/9/23, 12:55 PM

Bsb is premium video viewer at best, where the varjo with eyetracking etc is actually meant for simulation.

AndyHill•10/9/23, 12:55 PM

doesn't it have more involved straps that might make using headphones harder?

Jon (Bounty_V)OP•10/9/23, 12:55 PM

Having used an Aero I didn't have any issue with my headphones

Jon (Bounty_V)OP•10/9/23, 12:55 PM

used 2-3 different pairs with different types of headstraps/cup shapes

Bob Bushman•10/9/23, 12:56 PM

I can even fit my regular corsair cans over my quest pro.

Jon (Bounty_V)OP•10/9/23, 12:56 PM

And yeah the foveated rendering on the Aero is the bread and butter of performance

Jon (Bounty_V)OP•10/9/23, 12:56 PM

And how they make the most out of the high res very clear lenses

TTonyM While waiting for my Rhino to be built and arrive I am thinking of going into VR...

Jon (Bounty_V)OP•10/9/23, 12:57 PM

Another thing to consider is PC hardware. Are you on at least a 3080 with a decent CPU? Also you need to be using Nvidia GPU for the Aero, not sure about BSB.

AndyHill•10/9/23, 12:58 PM

anyway I wouldn't buy BSB for myself, but I think it's fantastic that someone is already making a VR headset with such a small form factor

Bob Bushman•10/9/23, 12:58 PM

Its even higher res, without the option for dfr, 4090 or dont bother.

JJon (Bounty_V)And yeah the foveated rendering on the Aero is the bread and butter of performan...

Fierce_Fire•10/9/23, 12:58 PM

Wait, you mean static or eye tracked

Jon (Bounty_V)OP•10/9/23, 12:59 PM

The amount of variety in headset shape, design philosophy, and features available on the market right now is great for the industry as a whole.

Fierce_Fire•10/9/23, 12:59 PM

Also i am not 100% sure but i remember the aero had more ppd in the center than the edges, correct?

AndyHill•10/9/23, 1:00 PM

I think you might be referring to the pro version

AndyHill•10/9/23, 1:00 PM

it has two separate screens, one for the center

AndyHill•10/9/23, 1:00 PM

I don't think the aero does anything like that

Fierce_Fire•10/9/23, 1:00 PM

I think i remember 35ppd in center and like 20 on edge

Fierce_Fire•10/9/23, 1:00 PM

But that might be lens warping

Fierce_Fire•10/9/23, 1:01 PM

Plus that was something from a while ago

AndyHill•10/9/23, 1:01 PM

at least with pimax the lens warping actually compresses the center, which is not ideal

AndyHill•10/9/23, 1:01 PM

I don't know how it's on aero

Bob Bushman•10/9/23, 1:01 PM

Until good pancakes came, optical claeiry around the edges would be closer to 5 than anything.

AAndyHill at least with pimax the lens warping actually compresses the center, which is no...

Fierce_Fire•10/9/23, 1:01 PM

The crystal? Havent heard anything like that

Fierce_Fire•10/9/23, 1:02 PM

I heard it had great edge to edge clarity, better than pico 4

FFierce_Fire Wait, you mean static or eye tracked

Jon (Bounty_V)OP•10/9/23, 1:02 PM

It has eye tracking, and its built in software renders stuff based on where you look. The eye tracking cameras run at 200hz. So the image will always be clearest where you look. You can adjust how clear by changing the PPD in the software, which obv needs more GPU the higher you go

The Aero has a smaller 'sweet spot' than other headsets like the Index, but it also has a lower FOV which contributes to this smaller sweet spot.

The image might seem 'blurry' on the edges because that is partially how foveated rendering based on eye tracking looks. Directly where your eyes are pointing will look clearest. Peripheral will start to look a bit blurry.

Here is an example of what foveated rendering looks like, on the PSVR2 in No Man's Sky, one of the only PSVR2 games to support it currently: https://twitter.com/PSVRUnderground/status/1698745249756053538

AndyHill•10/9/23, 1:03 PM

I'm using the 8kx

Jon (Bounty_V)OP•10/9/23, 1:03 PM

I should also mention there is a distinct difference between a game that has DFR and a headset software using it

AndyHill•10/9/23, 1:03 PM

the very wide fow is problematic in many ways, one of which is the way you need to warp the picture

JJon (Bounty_V)It has eye tracking, and its built in software renders stuff based on where you ...

Fierce_Fire•10/9/23, 1:04 PM

I know how it looks like, but is the edge clarity fine if you look at the edges in the headset or is lens warping an issue?

Jon (Bounty_V)OP•10/9/23, 1:04 PM

The lenses aren't large enough for it to have warping

AAndyHill I'm using the 8kx

Fierce_Fire•10/9/23, 1:04 PM

I see. I am keeping an eye out for crystal/12k stuff for when i have the money so assumed you were talking about that.

Jon (Bounty_V)OP•10/9/23, 1:05 PM

Also, adjusting the PPD changes how close or far the lenses are from your eyes'

FFierce_Fire I heard it had great edge to edge clarity, better than pico 4

Bob Bushman•10/9/23, 1:05 PM

Pico 4 is quite disappointing, the lenses on the pro for instance is massively better.

Jon (Bounty_V)OP•10/9/23, 1:05 PM

so higher PPD pushes the lenses away from your eyes

AndyHill•10/9/23, 1:05 PM

12kx will likely have similar issues

BBob Bushman Pico 4 is quite disappointing, the lenses on the pro for instance is massively b...

Fierce_Fire•10/9/23, 1:06 PM

The screen isnt the best yeah, but the clarity is quite decent for the price

FFierce_Fire I know how it looks like, but is the edge clarity fine if you look at the edges...

Jon (Bounty_V)OP•10/9/23, 1:06 PM

Another big factor is the version of Varjo base software you are running. A lot of visual issues that were present at HMD release have been resolved in newer versions of the software. So ideally after setting up the headset and doing a firmware update, most if not all issues should be resolved

Jon (Bounty_V)OP•10/9/23, 1:06 PM

The main one you'll see people complain about is chromatic aberration

Jon (Bounty_V)OP•10/9/23, 1:07 PM

And there's lots of github based tweaks that can help eliminate this

AAndyHill 12kx will likely have similar issues

Fierce_Fire•10/9/23, 1:07 PM

Depends on if the fov will actually be similar to 8kx, as they advertised 130h for pimax but its actually around 100

JJon (Bounty_V)There's also a ton of pre-established tweaks and fixes and setting adjustment by...

Jon (Bounty_V)OP•10/9/23, 1:07 PM

^ So basically most issues you might encounter with Varjo Aero have fixes, which you can find in the Varjo discord

Jon (Bounty_V)OP•10/9/23, 1:11 PM

Anyway back on topic of headset x vs y,

I personally own a Valve Index, Quest 2, and pre ordered a Quest 3 for work. Having used an Aero, I'm content to stick with my Index for the time being. Perhaps Quest 3 will work well on PC and be better than Index in some ways (hello full color/depth mixed reality for flight sim cockpit), but either way with the devices at my disposal all my needs are met for the foreseeable future.

If I had $3500+ lying around and a GPU better than a 3080, I'd love to get highest end Somnium VR1, which is basically the Varjo XR-3 but cheaper. Has eye tracking, hand tracking, full color depth mixed reality passthrough, etc.

Fierce_Fire•10/9/23, 1:13 PM

I dont know the resolution of the vr1, but 3080 might be more capable than you think. Im running pico 4 at 3120x3120 in dcs vr cause of compression (more pixels=better image) and i get ~60fps in the air, 40 on the ground with a 3090

Jon (Bounty_V)OP•10/9/23, 1:13 PM

dual 2880 x 2880 screens

There's also a ton of pre-established tweaks and fixes and setting adjustment by the community to ge

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