It has eye tracking, and its built in software renders stuff based on where you look. The eye tracki

It has eye tracking, and its built in software renders stuff based on where you look. The eye tracking cameras run at 200hz. So the image will always be clearest where you look. You can adjust how clear by changing the PPD in the software, which obv needs more GPU the higher you go

The Aero has a smaller 'sweet spot' than other headsets like the Index, but it also has a lower FOV which contributes to this smaller sweet spot.

The image might seem 'blurry' on the edges because that is partially how foveated rendering based on eye tracking looks. Directly where your eyes are pointing will look clearest. Peripheral will start to look a bit blurry.

Here is an example of what foveated rendering looks like, on the PSVR2 in No Man's Sky, one of the only PSVR2 games to support it currently: https://twitter.com/PSVRUnderground/status/1698745249756053538

AndyHill•10/9/23, 1:03 PM

I'm using the 8kx

Jon (Bounty_V)OP•10/9/23, 1:03 PM

I should also mention there is a distinct difference between a game that has DFR and a headset software using it

AndyHill•10/9/23, 1:03 PM

the very wide fow is problematic in many ways, one of which is the way you need to warp the picture

JJon (Bounty_V)It has eye tracking, and its built in software renders stuff based on where you ...

Fierce_Fire•10/9/23, 1:04 PM

I know how it looks like, but is the edge clarity fine if you look at the edges in the headset or is lens warping an issue?

Jon (Bounty_V)OP•10/9/23, 1:04 PM

The lenses aren't large enough for it to have warping

AAndyHill I'm using the 8kx

Fierce_Fire•10/9/23, 1:04 PM

I see. I am keeping an eye out for crystal/12k stuff for when i have the money so assumed you were talking about that.

Jon (Bounty_V)OP•10/9/23, 1:05 PM

Also, adjusting the PPD changes how close or far the lenses are from your eyes'

FFierce_Fire I heard it had great edge to edge clarity, better than pico 4

Bob Bushman•10/9/23, 1:05 PM

Pico 4 is quite disappointing, the lenses on the pro for instance is massively better.

Jon (Bounty_V)OP•10/9/23, 1:05 PM

so higher PPD pushes the lenses away from your eyes

AndyHill•10/9/23, 1:05 PM

12kx will likely have similar issues

BBob Bushman Pico 4 is quite disappointing, the lenses on the pro for instance is massively b...

Fierce_Fire•10/9/23, 1:06 PM

The screen isnt the best yeah, but the clarity is quite decent for the price

FFierce_Fire I know how it looks like, but is the edge clarity fine if you look at the edges...

Jon (Bounty_V)OP•10/9/23, 1:06 PM

Another big factor is the version of Varjo base software you are running. A lot of visual issues that were present at HMD release have been resolved in newer versions of the software. So ideally after setting up the headset and doing a firmware update, most if not all issues should be resolved

Jon (Bounty_V)OP•10/9/23, 1:06 PM

The main one you'll see people complain about is chromatic aberration

Jon (Bounty_V)OP•10/9/23, 1:07 PM

And there's lots of github based tweaks that can help eliminate this

AAndyHill 12kx will likely have similar issues

Fierce_Fire•10/9/23, 1:07 PM

Depends on if the fov will actually be similar to 8kx, as they advertised 130h for pimax but its actually around 100

JJon (Bounty_V)There's also a ton of pre-established tweaks and fixes and setting adjustment by...

Jon (Bounty_V)OP•10/9/23, 1:07 PM

^ So basically most issues you might encounter with Varjo Aero have fixes, which you can find in the Varjo discord

Jon (Bounty_V)OP•10/9/23, 1:11 PM

Anyway back on topic of headset x vs y,

I personally own a Valve Index, Quest 2, and pre ordered a Quest 3 for work. Having used an Aero, I'm content to stick with my Index for the time being. Perhaps Quest 3 will work well on PC and be better than Index in some ways (hello full color/depth mixed reality for flight sim cockpit), but either way with the devices at my disposal all my needs are met for the foreseeable future.

If I had $3500+ lying around and a GPU better than a 3080, I'd love to get highest end Somnium VR1, which is basically the Varjo XR-3 but cheaper. Has eye tracking, hand tracking, full color depth mixed reality passthrough, etc.

Fierce_Fire•10/9/23, 1:13 PM

I dont know the resolution of the vr1, but 3080 might be more capable than you think. Im running pico 4 at 3120x3120 in dcs vr cause of compression (more pixels=better image) and i get ~60fps in the air, 40 on the ground with a 3090

Jon (Bounty_V)OP•10/9/23, 1:13 PM

dual 2880 x 2880 screens

Fierce_Fire•10/9/23, 1:13 PM

And I recently found out my 12600k is bottlenecking it, gpubusy was 13~15ms, actual frametime ~18 if that says anything to you

Jon (Bounty_V)OP•10/9/23, 1:14 PM

https://somniumspace.com/

Somnium Space

A World Beyond Reality

FFierce_Fire I dont know the resolution of the vr1, but 3080 might be more capable than you t...

Fierce_Fire•10/9/23, 1:14 PM

This is dual 3120x3120 btw

Jon (Bounty_V)OP•10/9/23, 1:15 PM

They've not announced pricing yet, but its expected to be pretty expensive for highest end (possibly Apple Vision Pro pricing)

Fierce_Fire•10/9/23, 1:15 PM

That is quite the price then

Jon (Bounty_V)OP•10/9/23, 1:16 PM

Anyway, I don't have money lying around anyway, which is why Somnium is hypothetical purchase for me

Fierce_Fire•10/9/23, 1:16 PM

Fair enough

Jon (Bounty_V)OP•10/9/23, 1:18 PM

I won't be getting a new headset until after I upgrade my PC, which will probably turn into building a new PC. I'm on a 5950x right now but its broken and I have to run it on manual clocks which loses me a lot of performance I would otherwise get from having PBO etc. enabled. Works well enough for the basic stuff I do, and not much point in replacing the CPU, nor upgrading to latest since new stuff will be out soon enough. Not upgrading GPU until new Nvidia stuff is out which is probably 2 years out.

So by time new GPUs are out there will be at least 1 new generation of CPUs out I could upgrade to and build a whole new rig.

VPforceBot•10/9/23, 1:21 PM

:package:

RHINO #0209 Has Shipped!

JJon (Bounty_V)dual 2880 x 2880 screens

Bob Bushman•10/9/23, 1:33 PM

And those would need 50% supersampling on top. DFR and dlss will finally help, but to a somewhat unknown degree.

JJon (Bounty_V)https://somniumspace.com/

Fr4Ged•10/9/23, 1:53 PM

is this some kind of "if you have to ask for the price you can't afford it" deals?

FFr4Ged is this some kind of "if you have to ask for the price you can't afford it" deal...

Jon (Bounty_V)OP•10/9/23, 1:54 PM

? Just look at their twitter feed. Isn't even up for pre order yet. Just reservations. Isn't close enough to release yet.

Fr4Ged•10/9/23, 1:55 PM

sure but you should at least know the range of the costs before you reserve a spot imo

Jon (Bounty_V)OP•10/9/23, 1:56 PM

Literally no money down. No obligation to anything.

Jon (Bounty_V)OP•10/9/23, 1:57 PM

they're first and foremost a VR social platform

Jon (Bounty_V)OP•10/9/23, 1:57 PM

Also, the headset itself is open source 3d printed. You can buy just the important bits from them, such as pcb, lenses etc. pre built, and print the rest yourself

Jon (Bounty_V)OP•10/9/23, 1:58 PM

The reservations are for fully finished kits.

blave549•10/9/23, 5:54 PM

I am runnning my apparently obsolete Reverb G2 on an RTX2060 Super, if you can believe it. Most of the time it's fine in MSFS with medium settings, and DCS is no problem (but then I don't do multiplayer much so that probably makes a difference).

Lassekongo•10/9/23, 8:18 PM

Is there any channel or wiki here that contain recomended settings per dcs aircraft module ?

FlatSpin•10/9/23, 8:26 PM

knowledge-base?

Poor Yurik•10/10/23, 2:44 AM

Am I correct in my interpretation of the official Rhino diagram pdf that the dimensions of a mounting plate that would fit perfectly under the unit would be 180mm x 180.32mm?

Bblave549 I am runnning my apparently obsolete Reverb G2 on an RTX2060 Super, if you can b...

Ophelia•10/10/23, 4:03 AM

TIL my headset is "obsolete"

VPforceBot•10/10/23, 6:31 AM

:package:

RHINO #0212 Has Shipped!

VPforceBot•10/10/23, 7:41 AM

:package:

RHINO #0213 Has Shipped!

OOphelia TIL my headset is "obsolete"

dco0l•10/10/23, 11:05 AM

Once you get the FOV mod I'd say it's still pretty much one of the best. The clarity on the Reverb is just superb. I've seen some comparisons to some Pico headsets that have a higher resolution but the clarity is quite a bit worse so you don't gain anything and you'd lose some FPS

GeezAlbert•10/10/23, 8:19 PM

!status

GGeezAlbert !status

VPforceBot•10/10/23, 8:19 PM

Hey @geezalbert,
So the last Shipped RHINO is #0212 on 2023-10-10
Average waiting time from preorder to shipped is 206 days, median is 219 days, max is 292 days
211 Rhinos are shipped in total

PPoor Yurik Am I correct in my interpretation of the official Rhino diagram pdf that the dim...

walmis•10/11/23, 9:36 AM

Yep, that's correct

VPforceBot•10/11/23, 9:44 AM

:package:

RHINO #0214 Has Shipped!

GeezAlbert•10/11/23, 7:49 PM

!status

GGeezAlbert !status

VPforceBot•10/11/23, 7:49 PM

Hey @geezalbert,
So the last Shipped RHINO is #0214 on 2023-10-11
Average waiting time from preorder to shipped is 206 days, median is 220 days, max is 292 days
212 Rhinos are shipped in total

It has eye tracking, and its built in software renders stuff based on where you look. The eye tracki

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