oop, found it with more google https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20090022749/downloads/20090022749

oop, found it with more google
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20090022749/downloads/20090022749.pdf

SR-F_Winger_[73]_David•12/22/23, 10:53 AM

Hey Guys. I Had too man parts printed and have now a duplicate DIY rhino thats only Missing some parts and the Kit. The Gimbal and Pulley are printed from PETG CF. The Case from PETG. Location is Germany. Will Finish it in the next 1-3 weeks since i muss some parts wich have longer Delivery times
This one https://github.com/protomaker964/Rhino-FFB-Clone-3D_Printed/tree/main

GitHub

GitHub - protomaker964/Rhino-FFB-Clone-3D_Printed: 3D print files, ...

3D print files, parts list and instructions to build a DIY version of the Rhino FFB Stick base using the VPForce motor kit - GitHub - protomaker964/Rhino-FFB-Clone-3D_Printed: 3D print files, parts...

corbu1•12/22/23, 10:54 AM

I went from #0752 to #663 with 438 rhinos to go before me to 345 since yesterday. That‘s great!

Fr4Ged•12/22/23, 11:13 AM

nice. I jumped 87 slots as well.

superbird1011•12/22/23, 11:13 AM

Do I need any adapters or anything to use the virpil grips?

Hhighvision I also moved up in the queue, about the same amount from 359 to 264 with a new s...

superbird1011•12/22/23, 11:16 AM

I actually think the Aerofusion is great, its awesome to see some low cost FFB flight stick options, i think we are witnessing the dawn of proper FFB in flight simulation. But theres no doubt that the Rhino looks, and clearly is, a much better unit. Hence the price difference

Wwalmis Hey guys, presenting you my very compact design of the MFG pedals FFB conversion...

Monkee•12/22/23, 12:07 PM

For someone who does not have pedals yet, what would be the best choice between the Crosswind and Virpil Ace pedals to install an FFB kit?

Reaktionslos•12/22/23, 12:15 PM

I would like to place the Rhino on the right side of my chair (floor placement). What do you guys think?
Is it still comfortable to steer?

MMonkee For someone who does not have pedals yet, what would be the best choice between...

walmis•12/22/23, 12:23 PM

Crosswind will be easiest to mount a FFB kit

Piola•12/22/23, 12:27 PM

Piola•12/22/23, 12:27 PM

VPforceBot•12/22/23, 12:37 PM

RHINO #0319 Has Shipped!

Bob Bushman•12/22/23, 12:39 PM

Crosswinds are all in all great, I have had mine since 2017 and they feel like new.
I have added a damper kit and that was all the update I needed.

MMagpie oop, found it with more google https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20090022749/d...

ddrake1984•12/22/23, 1:06 PM

going a little deep in that rabbit hole..

Dddrake1984 going a little deep in that rabbit hole..

Bob Bushman•12/22/23, 1:19 PM

Must be wrong, wasn't sourced from war thunder forums.

MMagpie Is there a reference for stick forces of dcs planes at all?

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原子力Hoshino•12/22/23, 1:27 PM

18 and 16 has some numbers in the manual. also some details are available in some NASA flight testing doc

Bob Bushman•12/22/23, 1:29 PM

The 16 is as disconnected as it can get as it relies on force sensing and not positon.

Hhighvision I also moved up in the queue, about the same amount from 359 to 264 with a new s...

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原子力Hoshino•12/22/23, 1:32 PM

probably they just chose to buy kits and DIY, or have changed mind, or missed the email, or forgot.. It seems AeroFusion has just started the business and still put the main focus on home market(CN)

BBob Bushman The 16 is as disconnected as it can get as it relies on force sensing and not po...

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原子力Hoshino•12/22/23, 1:34 PM

true, unless one day Mr.Walmis can perform his black magic again and add force sensing mode to VPForce

Bob Bushman•12/22/23, 1:41 PM

Would be nice, but unfortunately a force sensing gimbal would be the only thing the rhino can't do.

Guess I still need to get a realsim..

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原子力Hoshino•12/22/23, 1:48 PM

actually Walmis once said it's technically possible..and the aforementioned AeroFusion is planning to implement it on their advanced bases, tho not sure how good it will be

Bob Bushman•12/22/23, 1:53 PM

Hey I'll happily be wrong

Ssuperbird1011 Do I need any adapters or anything to use the virpil grips?

Tinman•12/22/23, 2:32 PM

Nope Virpil/Thrustmaster is default

DAPA•12/22/23, 2:37 PM

Well I'll be damned...it's here in Charlotte NC and set for delivery today.

DAPA•12/22/23, 2:37 PM

https://tenor.com/view/impressive-darth-vader-gif-13593833

Tenor

AndyHill•12/22/23, 3:31 PM

It's very hard to install ffb on my crosswinds, I can't see kits anywhere

Bob Bushman•12/22/23, 3:33 PM

Cause they are diy. You take one of the rhino motor kits and "figure it out"

walmis•12/22/23, 3:40 PM

I'll provide kits with the necessary stuff to mount the FFB kit on the MFG. Only 4 holes are needed to drill into the MFG base using a template

Number481•12/22/23, 3:54 PM

FWIW, my VPC mod requires zero permanent modification to the pedals. I would like to try the MFGs though. And the TPRs for that matter!

Wwalmis I'll provide kits with the necessary stuff to mount the FFB kit on the MFG. Only...

Piola•12/22/23, 4:07 PM

My dreams comes true thank you

NNumber481 FWIW, my VPC mod requires zero permanent modification to the pedals. I would li...

Jehly•12/22/23, 4:51 PM

And they work wonderfully.

Wwalmis I'll provide kits with the necessary stuff to mount the FFB kit on the MFG. Only...

MashedPotato•12/22/23, 5:55 PM

Any eta on this? Need to brace my wallet

Udo•12/22/23, 6:05 PM

Hi, F14 stick behaves strangely. There is a force forward. Is this normal?

UUdo Hi, F14 stick behaves strangely. There is a force forward. Is this normal?

Icebeat•12/22/23, 6:13 PM

same for me, I think this is how they implemented the f14

papiplanes•12/22/23, 6:16 PM

FFB + MFG?! Any more info on that I would love to get that setup, is it do-able now with the motor kits?

UUdo Hi, F14 stick behaves strangely. There is a force forward. Is this normal?

papiplanes•12/22/23, 6:16 PM

Is it trim force you are feeling?

Wwalmis I'll provide kits with the necessary stuff to mount the FFB kit on the MFG. Only...

Monkee•12/22/23, 6:17 PM

Maybe you could get in contact with Milan to have him integrate the needed holes in the product from scratch?
He seems to be pretty open to modifications on his pedals, the V3 pedals having been modified to fix things based on the feedback he got from his clients.

Ppapiplanes Is it trim force you are feeling?

Udo•12/22/23, 7:57 PM

I don't know what it is. It moves the stick to end forward position and then you have to fight it. When you move the stick back you have to fight with it and when move past center that force decreases. I don't think the real stick behaves this way, it is dangerous.

Ppapiplanes FFB + MFG?! Any more info on that I would love to get that setup, is it do-able ...

MashedPotato•12/22/23, 8:03 PM

Yeah, a couple folks have done it, but iirc, no one has posted schematics. The design of the crosswinds themselves lends nicely to conversion to FFB using a single motor

UUdo I don't know what it is. It moves the stick to end forward position and then you...

ldnz•12/22/23, 9:18 PM

F14 should behave very predictably. Its ffb implementation is great. You might need to invert the axis in dcs controls, ffb settings

NNumber481 FWIW, my VPC mod requires zero permanent modification to the pedals. I would li...

DofMan1234•12/22/23, 9:57 PM

Your VPC pedals mod sound very interesting, could you posts a photo of it please ?
I used to have MFG pedals but I changed to the Virpil VPC ones because I find them better for helicopters and they fit on my DOF H6 motion platform better. I actual have both types of VPC pedals, the ones with toe brakes and also the simpler ones without.

DDofMan1234 Your VPC pedals mod sound very interesting, could you posts a photo of it please...

Fr4Ged•12/22/23, 10:04 PM

you must be a dedicated FFB guy using that old Microsoft stick

UUdo I don't know what it is. It moves the stick to end forward position and then you...

Tinman•12/22/23, 10:54 PM

Trim it

DDofMan1234 Your VPC pedals mod sound very interesting, could you posts a photo of it please...

Number481•12/23/23, 12:23 AM

I published my as built on GitHub. https://github.com/Number481/VirpilACE-VPForce-Mod

I’ve also posted some picks here and there. https://discord.com/channels/965234441511383080/972180323787997255/1120453484463005807

GitHub

GitHub - Number481/VirpilACE-VPForce-Mod: DIY VPForce 86BLF-03 kit ...

DIY VPForce 86BLF-03 kit mod for the Virpil ACE rudder pedals - GitHub - Number481/VirpilACE-VPForce-Mod: DIY VPForce 86BLF-03 kit mod for the Virpil ACE rudder pedals

DDofMan1234 Your VPC pedals mod sound very interesting, could you posts a photo of it please...

Duchess ✈•12/23/23, 2:01 AM

Interesting. I am still using the old Logitech ones because I did not think any other pedal sets fit the pedal plate for the H6/P6.

Bob Bushman•12/23/23, 2:06 AM

The absolute worst case, you grab a piece of plywood and drill some holes to fit both your chosen pedals and your mount

RoyMi6•12/23/23, 7:33 AM

Just checking out what’s going on in here and I see more chat about MFG FFB mod… it’s like a Christmas miracle!

Better start saving!

Wwalmis I'll provide kits with the necessary stuff to mount the FFB kit on the MFG. Only...

Pikas62•12/23/23, 8:26 AM

That sounds very interesting. When is the kit expected to be available to order? Are you also thinking about such kits for the TM TPR or the VPC ACE, since these are very widely used?

FFr4Ged you must be a dedicated FFB guy using that old Microsoft stick 😄

DofMan1234•12/23/23, 8:43 AM

I used to be Fr4Ged, but I could never get xpForce to work properly with it, and now that I have my lovely Rhino it is in danger of being sold !

NNumber481 I published my as built on GitHub. https://github.com/Number481/VirpilACE-VPForc...

DofMan1234•12/23/23, 8:47 AM

Thanks for the links and info.
My apologies for not spotting them before but I'm still blundering around in Discord, even though I've been following a number of specific interest groups on here for a year or so, I'm still not very adept with it.

Wwalmis I'll provide kits with the necessary stuff to mount the FFB kit on the MFG. Only...

Virus•12/23/23, 9:00 AM

Great...I am interested as well