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HHello all and greetings from Greece. I really consider buying the Rhino, as a Microsoft ffb2 user until now!!! (yes dinosaurs exists 
) , and thinikng that i will miss ffb very very much, but i have a couple very simple questions to make if its not much trouble... The grips are still under their software or are depending on the rhino software? The rudder axis still usable? As i see the weight of the Rhino is about 6-7kg and during the flights and the use of ffb forces might go up about 5kg if i am correct, so the desk mounts are a solid solution or a more rocking solution is needed? Thank you very much for your time
) , and thinikng that i will miss ffb very very much, but i have a couple very simple questions to make if its not much trouble... The grips are still under their software or are depending on the rhino software? The rudder axis still usable? As i see the weight of the Rhino is about 6-7kg and during the flights and the use of ffb forces might go up about 5kg if i am correct, so the desk mounts are a solid solution or a more rocking solution is needed? Thank you very much for your time
Adepends on the grip
Avkb grips need the balck (or orange?) box and are controlled by vkb software
Aothers (I think) are more integrated solutions
CIt's the new one from Pro flight trainer, I just modified the neck to fit the Rhino: https://pro-flight-trainer.com/product/a-style-snapaction-cyclic-grip-upgrade-package/
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A-style snapaction cyclic grip inspired by Airbus; for the 5th generation PUMA X flight controls, used in helicopters like the H125, H135, H145, H160 and others.
BI might've missed earlier discussion about this, but (a) what grip is that and (b) how is it mounted to the Rhino? Oh, and (c) what's the interface for the buttons/hats? Edit: NEVERMIND 
But I'd still like to understand how you got the grip to mount onto the Rhino
But I'd still like to understand how you got the grip to mount onto the Rhino
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RHINO #0378 Has Shipped!
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RHINO #0379 Has Shipped!
RHINO #0379 Has Shipped!
TThe bot is now telling me that my status has changed from "Waiting" to "Notified", but I haven't received any email or DMs. I checked gmail spams/trash. Should I be worried? EDIT: disregard, received the notification now.
WShould come through now
Tgot it, thanks
RSame here
COk so as promised here is a short write up on the SimFab DCS edition with a custom rhino mount Dimitar put together for me. I will focus on the Rhino integration because there is probably a lot of info on the rest of the SimFab setup. I will say though that all of the mounting solutions and tools were well organized and everything came together solidly, I am very happy with it so far. The hardest part was getting the seat back on to the seat lol.
As for the Rhino integration, Dimitar supplied me with a spacer and doubled up plates to be clamped on to the rudder tube part of the seat frame. This so far has worked perfectly, idk if he’s a genius or very lucky, but all the dimensions of how the rhino fits with this solution are super tight, the seat adjuster is barely not touching it, the standard stick travel is jussstt beginning to touch the cushions on the limits inside the seat cutout, and the pulley of the flipped Rhino base just clears the bottom of the seat. It is also trivial to access the cable connections in the large space under the seat with the installed risers.
The length of the Rhino with a direct mounted TM Warthog grip was too low to be comfortable in this setup, however, my Virpil T50CM2 grip that finally arrived alleviated the issue pretty much completely, since the height from the mount to the bottom of the palm rest (which is adjustable) is much longer than the TM Warthog. This brought it up to a much more usable height, and I think it’s pretty close to optimal, maybe a bit higher would be nice. Only issue with my setup is that I kind of run into my right thigh with the T50s palm rest when going hard right roll, but that is likely due to me putting the right side mount grip over the seat, I can just adjust it out and likely have no issue at all.
Feel free to DM or @ me with any questions or if you need any measurements taken or pictures for your own reference. Thank you to @MashedPotato for sending me some pics of his setup during my decision process. Here is a picture dump of my setup trying to show what I explained above:
As for the Rhino integration, Dimitar supplied me with a spacer and doubled up plates to be clamped on to the rudder tube part of the seat frame. This so far has worked perfectly, idk if he’s a genius or very lucky, but all the dimensions of how the rhino fits with this solution are super tight, the seat adjuster is barely not touching it, the standard stick travel is jussstt beginning to touch the cushions on the limits inside the seat cutout, and the pulley of the flipped Rhino base just clears the bottom of the seat. It is also trivial to access the cable connections in the large space under the seat with the installed risers.
The length of the Rhino with a direct mounted TM Warthog grip was too low to be comfortable in this setup, however, my Virpil T50CM2 grip that finally arrived alleviated the issue pretty much completely, since the height from the mount to the bottom of the palm rest (which is adjustable) is much longer than the TM Warthog. This brought it up to a much more usable height, and I think it’s pretty close to optimal, maybe a bit higher would be nice. Only issue with my setup is that I kind of run into my right thigh with the T50s palm rest when going hard right roll, but that is likely due to me putting the right side mount grip over the seat, I can just adjust it out and likely have no issue at all.
Feel free to DM or @ me with any questions or if you need any measurements taken or pictures for your own reference. Thank you to @MashedPotato for sending me some pics of his setup during my decision process. Here is a picture dump of my setup trying to show what I explained above:
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MWas just on the phone with him and waiting on a call back atm. That looks like he ran my setup, but without you having to grind that bolt, because of that spacer. I run a short extension to use multiple grips, so that wouldn't work for me, but it looks good
CYea my goals were full travel with minimum extension if any, and with the way it is now I guess it hit both requirements so I’m happy
MFor sure. The extension I run is usually not set above like 40mm. It's 100% only there to allow me to use any grip I want, since RS hornet, TM WH, Virpil Alpha, and Virpil Tomcat are all different heights. Also planning to add Virpil WarBrd to the stable as a B8 stand in (I don't have a problem, you have a problem :P)
SAnyone who knows how i should set up the Gazelle in DCS special menu? When i press trim it doubles the stick output.
CHell yea brother, you are a man of culture
CUnfortunately I am a man of stinginess and practicality so I couldn’t even bring myself to buy my beloved F-14s grip lol
N"Instant", same as other helis.. except there is a special toggle in its special settings to enable FFB as for some reason it does not honor the game FFB setting..
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TAny one her a pro at geting FB form MSFS? and setting it up? strugeling a bit on understanig it all
THave you followed the manual step by step?
Tgoing tru it the secend time now to se iff i missed some thing
Ti cant get VP Force to send stick input to MSFS..
Shelicopter? make sure you set a trim release button
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TAfter instaling the TelemFFB and then geting the WIP Branch release do i need to downloade all of the previously version?
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RNo. Just the latest one
Ti cant get TelemFFB to send data to MSFS
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FDo you have the configurator setup etc?
NTry enabling axis control.
TTHANKS haha
RQuestion: using telem is it possible to combine hitting the trim button in the Apache virtually combined with having the stick actually trim correctly
RReason I ask is for SAS inputs and how closely trim works with the different "auto/hold" modes. Requiring some participation with the ingame trim button in DCS on the cyclic
NI don’t fly the Apache. I have it, but I’ve never done more than fart around the pattern with it.
What does the virtual stick do in response to trimming and SAS inputs? I assume your talking about trim other than normal force trim.
In general though…DCS is severely lacking in exportable telemetry at the aircraft system level.
The AFCS implementation for the MSFS H145/160 works well because there is data available to emulate the trimming motors and the developer provided hooks for me to be able to send specific events so the heli knows when a user is overriding the stick position.
What does the virtual stick do in response to trimming and SAS inputs? I assume your talking about trim other than normal force trim.
In general though…DCS is severely lacking in exportable telemetry at the aircraft system level.
The AFCS implementation for the MSFS H145/160 works well because there is data available to emulate the trimming motors and the developer provided hooks for me to be able to send specific events so the heli knows when a user is overriding the stick position.
CI think the SAS in the Apache is mixed in after the cyclic (and pedals/collective) input, so you as the pilot don’t feel the controls move with SAS interactions
CI could be wrong but that was my understanding
SI think Carlos is right. For the Apache, leave the force trim settings in VPConfig alone and use the DCS keybinds. You can't use curves on your stick axes with a FFB stick or it gets all weird.
CThat’s what I do and it works as I expect it to
CYou can even open the controls indicator and see the SAS authority limits and what it’s doing in real time
SI recommend flying with that on for a while when you first start with the Apache to get a feel for what the SAS is doing so you can stop fighting it and work with it.
CWhen in doubt just hold the trim hat up and it disables the SAS and lets you take full control
CI usually hold trim, set new flight attitude, then release
