VPforce Controls•2y ago

Loop back working great with the A style grip now, enjoying some H145 SAS goodness 😄

Loop back working great with the A style grip now, enjoying some H145 SAS goodness

Jon (Bounty_V)•1/31/24, 1:54 AM

https://www.helisimmer.com/news/flightsimexpo-2024-venue-closing

HeliSimmer

FlightSimExpo 2024’s venue to close in April. What does this mean f...

The community – and FlightSimExpo’s organization – was caught by surprise when it was announced the Tropicana – Las Vegas, venue for the next FlightSimExpo, as well as the place where a lot of exhibitors and visitors were staying, is closing its doors in April – and due to be demolished.

Jon (Bounty_V)•1/31/24, 1:54 AM

psa in case anyone was looking to attend flight sim expo this year

FFierce_Fire Do you use a vkb adapter? Can use virpil extensions under that and just tighten ...

Ry-ballz•1/31/24, 2:33 AM

Yeah I use the VKB adapter. The warthog adapter I bought doesn't seem to have enough threads to prevent the stick from rotating, I'll order an official one from Virpil. Is that what you're using?

JJon (Bounty_V)https://www.helisimmer.com/news/flightsimexpo-2024-venue-closing

FlyingEstee•1/31/24, 2:55 AM

Not surprised tho
Tropicana is kind of meh now but last minute it sucks

RRy-ballz Yeah I use the VKB adapter. The warthog adapter I bought doesn't seem to have en...

walmis•1/31/24, 7:03 AM

I could suggest adding a rubber spacer between the adapter and the extension

VPforceBot•1/31/24, 7:55 AM

:package:

RHINO #0376 Has Shipped!

CCaptFlushGarden (John Liberto)Loop back working great with the A style grip now, enjoying some H145 SAS goodn...

ddrake1984•1/31/24, 8:55 AM

ooh H145, where is that from?

VPforceBot•1/31/24, 9:15 AM

:package:

RHINO #0377 Has Shipped!

HSqn_Geokid(Γιώργος)•1/31/24, 10:24 AM

Hello all and greetings from Greece. I really consider buying the Rhino, as a Microsoft ffb2 user until now!!! (yes dinosaurs exists

) , and thinikng that i will miss ffb very very much, but i have a couple very simple questions to make if its not much trouble... The grips are still under their software or are depending on the rhino software? The rudder axis still usable? As i see the weight of the Rhino is about 6-7kg and during the flights and the use of ffb forces might go up about 5kg if i am correct, so the desk mounts are a solid solution or a more rocking solution is needed? Thank you very much for your time

AndyHill•1/31/24, 11:23 AM

depends on the grip

AndyHill•1/31/24, 11:23 AM

vkb grips need the balck (or orange?) box and are controlled by vkb software

AndyHill•1/31/24, 11:24 AM

others (I think) are more integrated solutions

Dddrake1984 ooh H145, where is that from?

CaptFlushGarden (John Liberto)OP•1/31/24, 3:43 PM

It's the new one from Pro flight trainer, I just modified the neck to fit the Rhino: https://pro-flight-trainer.com/product/a-style-snapaction-cyclic-grip-upgrade-package/

Pro Flight Trainer LLCcniederhauser

A-Style SnapAction Cyclic Grip - upgrade package - Pro Flight Train...

A-style snapaction cyclic grip inspired by Airbus; for the 5th generation PUMA X flight controls, used in helicopters like the H125, H135, H145, H160 and others.

CCaptFlushGarden (John Liberto)Loop back working great with the A style grip now, enjoying some H145 SAS goodn...

blave549•2/1/24, 12:34 AM

I might've missed earlier discussion about this, but (a) what grip is that and (b) how is it mounted to the Rhino? Oh, and (c) what's the interface for the buttons/hats? Edit: NEVERMIND

But I'd still like to understand how you got the grip to mount onto the Rhino

VPforceBot•2/1/24, 8:45 AM

:package:

RHINO #0378 Has Shipped!

VPforceBot•2/1/24, 9:15 AM

:package:

RHINO #0379 Has Shipped!

Toge•2/1/24, 12:26 PM

The bot is now telling me that my status has changed from "Waiting" to "Notified", but I haven't received any email or DMs. I checked gmail spams/trash. Should I be worried? EDIT: disregard, received the notification now.

TToge The bot is now telling me that my status has changed from "Waiting" to "Notified...

walmis•2/1/24, 1:16 PM

Should come through now

Toge•2/1/24, 1:18 PM

got it, thanks

Red Magic•2/1/24, 3:58 PM

Same here

Carlos NO2•2/1/24, 4:16 PM

Ok so as promised here is a short write up on the SimFab DCS edition with a custom rhino mount Dimitar put together for me. I will focus on the Rhino integration because there is probably a lot of info on the rest of the SimFab setup. I will say though that all of the mounting solutions and tools were well organized and everything came together solidly, I am very happy with it so far. The hardest part was getting the seat back on to the seat lol.

As for the Rhino integration, Dimitar supplied me with a spacer and doubled up plates to be clamped on to the rudder tube part of the seat frame. This so far has worked perfectly, idk if he’s a genius or very lucky, but all the dimensions of how the rhino fits with this solution are super tight, the seat adjuster is barely not touching it, the standard stick travel is jussstt beginning to touch the cushions on the limits inside the seat cutout, and the pulley of the flipped Rhino base just clears the bottom of the seat. It is also trivial to access the cable connections in the large space under the seat with the installed risers.

The length of the Rhino with a direct mounted TM Warthog grip was too low to be comfortable in this setup, however, my Virpil T50CM2 grip that finally arrived alleviated the issue pretty much completely, since the height from the mount to the bottom of the palm rest (which is adjustable) is much longer than the TM Warthog. This brought it up to a much more usable height, and I think it’s pretty close to optimal, maybe a bit higher would be nice. Only issue with my setup is that I kind of run into my right thigh with the T50s palm rest when going hard right roll, but that is likely due to me putting the right side mount grip over the seat, I can just adjust it out and likely have no issue at all.

Feel free to DM or @ me with any questions or if you need any measurements taken or pictures for your own reference. Thank you to @MashedPotato for sending me some pics of his setup during my decision process. Here is a picture dump of my setup trying to show what I explained above:

Carlos NO2•2/1/24, 4:18 PM

MashedPotato•2/1/24, 5:53 PM

Was just on the phone with him and waiting on a call back atm. That looks like he ran my setup, but without you having to grind that bolt, because of that spacer. I run a short extension to use multiple grips, so that wouldn't work for me, but it looks good

MMashedPotato Was just on the phone with him and waiting on a call back atm. That looks like h...

Carlos NO2•2/1/24, 6:01 PM

Yea my goals were full travel with minimum extension if any, and with the way it is now I guess it hit both requirements so I’m happy

MashedPotato•2/1/24, 6:03 PM

For sure. The extension I run is usually not set above like 40mm. It's 100% only there to allow me to use any grip I want, since RS hornet, TM WH, Virpil Alpha, and Virpil Tomcat are all different heights. Also planning to add Virpil WarBrd to the stable as a B8 stand in (I don't have a problem, you have a problem :P)

Snubblaren•2/1/24, 6:04 PM

Anyone who knows how i should set up the Gazelle in DCS special menu? When i press trim it doubles the stick output.

MMashedPotato For sure. The extension I run is usually not set above like 40mm. It's 100% only...

Carlos NO2•2/1/24, 6:09 PM

Hell yea brother, you are a man of culture

Carlos NO2•2/1/24, 6:10 PM

Unfortunately I am a man of stinginess and practicality so I couldn’t even bring myself to buy my beloved F-14s grip lol

SSnubblaren Anyone who knows how i should set up the Gazelle in DCS special menu? When i pre...

Number481•2/1/24, 6:16 PM

"Instant", same as other helis.. except there is a special toggle in its special settings to enable FFB as for some reason it does not honor the game FFB setting..

Number481•2/1/24, 6:22 PM

TryFanGamer•2/1/24, 8:10 PM

Any one her a pro at geting FB form MSFS? and setting it up? strugeling a bit on understanig it all

TrigaNZ•2/1/24, 8:54 PM

Have you followed the manual step by step?

TryFanGamer•2/1/24, 8:57 PM

going tru it the secend time now to se iff i missed some thing

TryFanGamer•2/1/24, 9:26 PM

i cant get VP Force to send stick input to MSFS..

smitty•2/1/24, 9:35 PM

helicopter? make sure you set a trim release button

smitty•2/1/24, 9:36 PM

TryFanGamer•2/1/24, 9:41 PM

After instaling the TelemFFB and then geting the WIP Branch release do i need to downloade all of the previously version?

TryFanGamer•2/1/24, 9:41 PM

TryFanGamer•2/1/24, 9:42 PM

Reed•2/1/24, 9:44 PM

No. Just the latest one

TryFanGamer•2/1/24, 9:55 PM

i cant get TelemFFB to send data to MSFS

TryFanGamer•2/1/24, 9:56 PM

https://i.imgur.com/eg9xo8f.png

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TryFanGamer•2/1/24, 9:56 PM

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Fierce_Fire•2/1/24, 9:58 PM

Do you have the configurator setup etc?

TTryFanGamer i cant get TelemFFB to send data to MSFS

Number481•2/1/24, 10:01 PM

Try enabling axis control.

NNumber481 Try enabling axis control.

TryFanGamer•2/1/24, 10:02 PM

THANKS haha

Red Magic•2/1/24, 10:28 PM

Question: using telem is it possible to combine hitting the trim button in the Apache virtually combined with having the stick actually trim correctly

Red Magic•2/1/24, 10:29 PM

Reason I ask is for SAS inputs and how closely trim works with the different "auto/hold" modes. Requiring some participation with the ingame trim button in DCS on the cyclic

RRed Magic Question: using telem is it possible to combine hitting the trim button in the A...

Number481•2/1/24, 11:36 PM

I don’t fly the Apache. I have it, but I’ve never done more than fart around the pattern with it.

What does the virtual stick do in response to trimming and SAS inputs? I assume your talking about trim other than normal force trim.

In general though…DCS is severely lacking in exportable telemetry at the aircraft system level.

The AFCS implementation for the MSFS H145/160 works well because there is data available to emulate the trimming motors and the developer provided hooks for me to be able to send specific events so the heli knows when a user is overriding the stick position.

Carlos NO2•2/1/24, 11:37 PM

I think the SAS in the Apache is mixed in after the cyclic (and pedals/collective) input, so you as the pilot don’t feel the controls move with SAS interactions

Loop back working great with the A style grip now, enjoying some H145 SAS goodness 😄

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