VPforce Controls•2y ago

Can the FP force rhino replicate the pitch detent of a center stick?

Thorluis2OP•4/26/24, 3:01 AM

Not to the same extent, but a measurable increase in force before allowing futher stick movement

FFer Hey @walmis is there any news in the kit for virpil pedals ??

Jehly•4/26/24, 3:59 AM

Was there a kit supposed to be made? I printed a kit for mine and it works amazing.

TThorluis2 Can the FP force rhino replicate the pitch detent of a center stick?

MichalK•4/26/24, 6:31 AM

That is one thing that FFB doesn't do very well.

MichalK•4/26/24, 6:33 AM

You can edit the gain curves in the software, but too much opposing force in the middle and you'll get oscillations.

VPforceBot•4/26/24, 10:06 AM

:package:

RHINO #0507 Has Shipped!

VPforceBot•4/26/24, 10:16 AM

:package:

RHINO #0508 Has Shipped!

MMichalK That is one thing that FFB doesn't do very well.

Thorluis2OP•4/26/24, 11:08 AM

Ok thank you

Oneill•4/26/24, 11:08 AM

Guys this is going to sound stupid but does the kit assembled just bolt onto my pedals I already have. ?
It says full assembled kit, my MFG crosswinds have the damper fitted.
Do I have to remove it all and fit the kit ?

walmis•4/26/24, 11:16 AM

You wouldn't need a damper anymore, FFB does the damping

Wwalmis You wouldn't need a damper anymore, FFB does the damping

I/JG7_Moto•4/26/24, 12:09 PM

What exactly does the FFB pedals replicate in airplanes? The braking ? and do pedals get stiffer with speed? a bit of rpm vibration?

II/JG7_Moto What exactly does the FFB pedals replicate in airplanes? The braking ? and do pe...

Number481•4/26/24, 12:12 PM

📃general
Only change from that post is that IL2 supports dynamic forces now.

All the same haptic/rumble effects are also supported on the pedals as well.

I/JG7_Moto•4/26/24, 12:14 PM

What about toe brakes, any resistance added to them? Usually pedals are too soft and hence makes braking too sensitive.

AndyHill•4/26/24, 12:17 PM

I don't think there's any ffb in the toe brakes in any design I've seen

Bob Bushman•4/26/24, 12:18 PM

wouldn't it make more sense, especially engineering wise to use a loadcell for those ?

I/JG7_Moto•4/26/24, 1:21 PM

In real planes the stick is what gives you feedback in flight, but rudder pedals not much, they get stiffer with speed, that is all, no pedal buffeting when stalling, only stick, so if they can have the toe braking power giving more resistance that would be great, but feeling the stall, and many of the other effects in the pedals would be a bit unrealistic in the case of airplanes.

BBob Bushman wouldn't it make more sense, especially engineering wise to use a loadcell for t...

MichalK•4/26/24, 1:41 PM

yes, some high end pedals have load cells on the brakes, like https://www.virtual-fly.com/shop/controls/ruddo-plus

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WWhereNoLarkFlew Welp, let’s see what the hype is about

PiNKSH!T•4/26/24, 2:30 PM

the hype is real, what do you fly?

PPiNKSH!T the hype is real, what do you fly?

WhereNoLarkFlew•4/26/24, 3:00 PM

I fly ‘em all man - but mostly helicopters and warbirds. Cold War aircraft quite a bit, less so modern stuff.

WWhereNoLarkFlew I fly ‘em all man - but mostly helicopters and warbirds. Cold War aircraft quite...

MaxVonDayGlow•4/26/24, 3:09 PM

I'm the same and focus on older gen modules vs fly-by-wire. FFB is all that and a bag of chips. First thing I noticed was the visual/audio queues built into DCS to inform the player they are pushing max AOA etc occur later than what you feel with FFB. It isn't a huge gap, but it is significant. It is something you have to feel (no pun intended) to understand. I have been inefficiently over controlling modules for literally decades thinking I was riding the edge only to discover I was robbing myself of turn performance the whole time.

MMaxVonDayGlow I'm the same and focus on older gen modules vs fly-by-wire. FFB is all that and ...

WhereNoLarkFlew•4/26/24, 3:11 PM

That’s a good point - honestly the audio/visual cues in DCS seem to be ‘hey that’s beyond the limit’

WhereNoLarkFlew•4/26/24, 3:11 PM

Even though, as you say, in reality you’d be able to feel the edge through flight controls

MaxVonDayGlow•4/26/24, 3:12 PM

Not having to stare at the AOA meter in the Tomcat is a game changer as well. That is one module that is night and day with FFB

WhereNoLarkFlew•4/26/24, 3:13 PM

The nature of the aircraft, that makes sense… and the fact that HB seems to develop features for FFB. Very much looking forward to the F-4’s FFB implementation.

WhereNoLarkFlew•4/26/24, 3:13 PM

Very excited! Now just have to wait for mounts to arrive in 3 weeks lol

WhereNoLarkFlew•4/26/24, 3:14 PM

Penalty I pay for going Monstertech

MaxVonDayGlow•4/26/24, 3:15 PM

Same. Pulled the trigger on the Rhino for the F4 (and Tomcat). the best part is the F-4 was nicknamed the Rhino back in the day

MMaxVonDayGlow Same. Pulled the trigger on the Rhino for the F4 (and Tomcat). the best part is ...

WhereNoLarkFlew•4/26/24, 3:16 PM

Lol awesome you’re all set then.

BaronVonVaderham•4/26/24, 3:23 PM

Question from a noob: does the rhino base also includes the motors and electronics, as in, a ready to add stick and fly solution, or does one have to add those to the base?

Fierce_Fire•4/26/24, 3:24 PM

If you buy the complete base, yes

Fierce_Fire•4/26/24, 3:24 PM

The diy kit is only the motors and electronics to allow people to make their own

Wwalmis You wouldn't need a damper anymore, FFB does the damping

Oneill•4/26/24, 5:30 PM

So the ready assembled bit just bolts onto my MFG pedals.
Sorry for sounding like a dumb idiot, it’s my first attempt at making my rig as realistic as possible.
Can’t wait for the stick to arrive.

MMaxVonDayGlow Same. Pulled the trigger on the Rhino for the F4 (and Tomcat). the best part is ...

Touch_Of_Legend•4/26/24, 10:00 PM

That’s awesome man I’ll eventually pick that one up for sure.

My father was a Navy F4 instructor so it’s got a special place in my heart as well.

Zarro•4/26/24, 10:24 PM

I assume that FFB is disabled when in a dual seater while not having the controls? Don't want this to happen...
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/LCm1Q8cK4l0

ZZarro I assume that FFB is disabled when in a dual seater while not having the control...

MaxVonDayGlow•4/26/24, 10:28 PM

We will know when the F4 finally releases in "two weeks"

MMaxVonDayGlow We will know when the F4 finally releases in "two weeks"

Zarro•4/26/24, 10:29 PM

What about modules that exist right now?

MaxVonDayGlow•4/26/24, 10:34 PM

I haven't read anything about other 2-seaters in DCS with both players using FFB. It is pretty small user base. I'd imagine thanks to the Rhino (and DIY kits), we will find out at some poijnt

Zarro•4/26/24, 10:35 PM

Oh sorry, I don't specifically mean with 2 FFB users. What if my friend has a normal stick, and controls for example the apache. Does my stick move in real life?

MaxVonDayGlow•4/26/24, 10:36 PM

Found a post where FFB effects are impacting the other player in the Apache...https://forum.dcs.world/topic/301666-force-feedback-problem/

ED Forums

Force feedback problem.

Hi When I fly multicrew in the Apache as CPG, what happens is: every time the pilot (human pilot) trims the aircraft, i feel it in my joystick. Problem is: as CPG I use my joystick axis to operate the TEDAC camera and I don’t even have my joystick set to the aircraft controls axis in the configur...

ddrake1984•4/27/24, 12:38 AM

continuing discussion around HF8 here @blave549
I find the software pretty simple

ddrake1984•4/27/24, 12:38 AM

I select the game

ddrake1984•4/27/24, 12:39 AM

then I select the FFB effects I want to tune, I can select each of the pads I want for the effect and the % of how much I want it to rumble

ddrake1984•4/27/24, 12:40 AM

and that's it, honestly I am not sure why you spent 1/2 hr on this, it's not rocket science or anything, it's very simple and intuitive. 1 example I have is landing gear, I only want it to feel it on my butt so I set it up like this

ddrake1984•4/27/24, 12:42 AM

noting that this only activates the motors on my butt and not my back, this acheived a very simple setup for me. I see no benefit to Simshaker Aviators as it doesn't offer anything over and above what this program does for me, my original statement was only simply pointing out that I would have liked them to add IL-2 to their software, as they already have MSFS, X-Plane and DCS

FleshAndWater•4/27/24, 12:55 AM

hey, has anyone table mounted their rhino? Prospective buyer here...I wanted to get some monstertech table mounts but not sure if theres enough throw allowed in that setup?