i was having a nice long discussion with a few people today about how btrfs might be more of a footg

i was having a nice long discussion with a few people today about how btrfs might be more of a footgun than anything else when it comes to steam storage

KKid Hehe But yea.. I'm happy with the bazzite defaults, just wanted to know. And how...

Hunanbean•6/1/24, 8:15 AM

I honestly do not know on Gnome, but maybe searching for System Tray Icon Spacing would help? IDK if they named it differently in Gnome

PPez i was having a nice long discussion with a few people today about how btrfs migh...

RodoMa92•6/1/24, 8:15 AM

I like more storage in my case.

RodoMa92•6/1/24, 8:16 AM

But it depends on how much steam games you have vs everything else TBH.

PezOP•6/1/24, 8:16 AM

totally fair. it just doesn't play nice with steam on cacheless drives.

PezOP•6/1/24, 8:16 AM

that includes sd cards

PPez totally fair. it just doesn't play nice with steam on cacheless drives.

RodoMa92•6/1/24, 8:16 AM

It's disabled on steam storage folders

RodoMa92•6/1/24, 8:16 AM

So it should not matter at all.

RRodoMa92 It's disabled on steam storage folders

PezOP•6/1/24, 8:16 AM

what is

PPez what is

RodoMa92•6/1/24, 8:17 AM

Deduplication and such, so it's almost as close as no btrfs at all.

RodoMa92•6/1/24, 8:17 AM

The whole COW is off IIRC.

PezOP•6/1/24, 8:17 AM

that doesn't solve the issues i'm talking about

Kid•6/1/24, 8:17 AM

you can check it with

lsattr

lsattr

PezOP•6/1/24, 8:18 AM

the way steam downloads it will bring the entire drive to contention without a write cache of some sort

RodoMa92•6/1/24, 8:18 AM

What did you mean then?

PezOP•6/1/24, 8:18 AM

if the drive is cacheless this means your downloads slow to a crawl

PPez the way steam downloads it will bring the entire drive to contention without a w...

RodoMa92•6/1/24, 8:18 AM

Oooh, yeah, I agree.

RodoMa92•6/1/24, 8:18 AM

I can reproduce that then.

PezOP•6/1/24, 8:18 AM

it's still a CoW filesystem at the end of the day

RodoMa92•6/1/24, 8:18 AM

Never bothered me too much tho.

PezOP•6/1/24, 8:19 AM

the solution is to simply use ext4 for your games storage if you don't want your installs to take twice as long

RodoMa92•6/1/24, 8:19 AM

SDCards are still slow as crap XD

PezOP•6/1/24, 8:19 AM

i had two people try it, one had their problem solved completely just with metadata journaling

PezOP•6/1/24, 8:19 AM

another guy didn't, i suspect it might need full journaling on his drive

PezOP•6/1/24, 8:19 AM

it was really bad

PezOP•6/1/24, 8:20 AM

don't see what this has to do with libvirt lmfao

PezOP•6/1/24, 8:20 AM

you would use writeback and raw format on a VM

PezOP•6/1/24, 8:20 AM

RodoMa92•6/1/24, 8:21 AM

---------------C------ /run/media/marco/SamSD512/steamapps/downloading
---------------C------ /run/media/marco/SamSD512/steamapps/temp

RodoMa92•6/1/24, 8:21 AM

Yep, it's off.

PezOP•6/1/24, 8:23 AM

it doesn't literally stop the filesystem from being copy-on-write anyway

PezOP•6/1/24, 8:23 AM

it just prevents deduplication using those factors

PPez it doesn't literally stop the filesystem from being copy-on-write anyway

RodoMa92•6/1/24, 8:23 AM

It reduces the impact at least.

RodoMa92•6/1/24, 8:23 AM

I never been a fan of btrfs TBC

RodoMa92•6/1/24, 8:24 AM

Lost data twice on it XD

PezOP•6/1/24, 8:24 AM

yeah it is still fundamentally an issue with the FS and certain forms of storage

PezOP•6/1/24, 8:24 AM

depending on how shit your drive is you are making a big tradeoff by not using a journaled fs

RodoMa92•6/1/24, 8:24 AM

But it's the best CoW FS we have that works decently.

PezOP•6/1/24, 8:25 AM

yeah unless you completely defer cow to the hv and use basically raw block storage in a VM it's kinda shit

Kid•6/1/24, 8:25 AM

(open)ZFS, APFS, BtrFS

KKid (open)ZFS, APFS, BtrFS 🗿

RodoMa92•6/1/24, 8:25 AM

APFS? XD

PezOP•6/1/24, 8:25 AM

lmfao

Kid•6/1/24, 8:25 AM

bache...

RodoMa92•6/1/24, 8:25 AM

I love ZFS, but too much issues being OOT.

RodoMa92•6/1/24, 8:25 AM

If you have a recent kernel.

KKid bache...

RodoMa92•6/1/24, 8:26 AM

Bcache I'm testing it now on my desktop BTW XD

RRodoMa92 APFS? XD

Kid•6/1/24, 8:26 AM

Apple File System

PezOP•6/1/24, 8:26 AM

anyway if you notice steam DoSing your SSD while downloading larger games and it annoys you, it's BTRFS problem

PezOP•6/1/24, 8:26 AM

thanks for coming to my TED talk

KKid Apple File System

RodoMa92•6/1/24, 8:26 AM

I know what it is, but WHY would you touch Apple stuff? /s

PPez anyway if you notice steam DoSing your SSD while downloading larger games and it...

RodoMa92•6/1/24, 8:26 AM

I know

i was having a nice long discussion with a few people today about how btrfs might be more of a footg

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