Hey Moto! For warbirds a lot of the time the ailerons would stiffen up more than the pitch control,

Hey Moto! For warbirds a lot of the time the ailerons would stiffen up more than the pitch control, since pulleys and bobweights were more optimized for such. So the difference between the two in this case for WW2 is I think generally ok, without pulling out a calculator

Red MagicOP•6/4/24, 4:12 PM

In a non-FFB configuration, you can see in a diving P51 for instance that rudder and ailerons will constrict in control in DCS before the elevators

Red MagicOP•6/4/24, 4:13 PM

Reminds me, ffb MFGs

RRed Magic Hey Moto! For warbirds a lot of the time the ailerons would stiffen up more tha...

I/JG7_Moto•6/4/24, 4:26 PM

True, but still think pitch control could be a bit stiffer than it is, specially the initial pull which is too soft, compared to how stiff roll is represented in FFB, which I think its really well modeled. This is how it feels IRL in the warbird I fly.

VVulture What is the "Machined Aluminum Grip Mount Upgrade for Rhino, Anodized, Black - 4...

TheAmazinGreat•6/4/24, 5:28 PM

It’s an upgrade to the grip attachment threads from 3D printed to Aluminum.

TheAmazinGreat•6/4/24, 5:29 PM

Both the stock 3D printed and aluminum versions are compatible with TM and Virpil grips.

Vulture•6/4/24, 5:58 PM

OK, thanks!

Boggy•6/4/24, 7:32 PM

Do you guys have a deadzone set to your Rhino (in the Rhino settings software, not dcs controls)?

AndyHill•6/4/24, 8:06 PM

Reed•6/4/24, 8:56 PM

Boggy•6/4/24, 9:42 PM

Cool , ok.

VPforceBot•6/5/24, 8:38 AM

:package:

RHINO #0565 Has Shipped!

VPforceBot•6/5/24, 9:54 AM

:package:

RHINO #0567 Has Shipped!

Diverzant•6/5/24, 10:35 AM

Only 971 to go

DDiverzant Only 971 to go 😭😅

SamNFTY•6/5/24, 10:49 AM

They're getting out pretty quickly though

DDiverzant Only 971 to go 😭😅

Touch_Of_Legend•6/5/24, 10:49 AM

The list moves slowly but the numbers don’t match pre order numbers.

So for instance every so often he will update the list with everyone who dropped off and you will drop 150 spots over night.

Touch_Of_Legend•6/5/24, 10:50 AM

The bot is showing actual sales shipments and doesn’t account for drop outs.

For that he updates the list and that’s why it’s never actually a 1000 unit wait

SSamNFTY They're getting out pretty quickly though

Touch_Of_Legend•6/5/24, 10:52 AM

And yeah the good part about being on the wait list is you’re here hanging out and watching the “proof in the pudding” so to speak.

You’re learning and absorbing tips and tricks while watching the software improve with updates AND you get to see its all legit.

You also get to meet some cool Rhino drivers and hear the feedback or tips and tricks from their set ups

Touch_Of_Legend•6/5/24, 10:53 AM

So the waiting sucks but it’s not for nothing. It has its good points even for those of us who DIY

Bob Bushman•6/5/24, 10:54 AM

Yeah by the shipped units ovrr time I estimated almost a year and half, but presto barely 7 months in I got pinged.

Had it ordered, paid, and shipped that same day.

That just happened to be december 23, so probably handed to the post office 20 minutes before everyone buggered off for a week

TTouch_Of_Legend The bot is showing actual sales shipments and doesn’t account for drop outs. F...

Diverzant•6/5/24, 10:58 AM

Thats great news! I mean I just like making a little fuss about it, I actually dont mind waiting that much for a single reason of where the fuck else are you gonna find a kit like this

Diverzant•6/5/24, 10:59 AM

About the kits, learning etc. some of you people are mental… i mean those setups you guys got, wow

nubbins•6/5/24, 11:59 AM

I was LITERALLY about to ask if the machined adapter adds delay to ordering ffb kits......when tracking number popped up in my inbox the very minute I was about to hit send LOL

DDiverzant Thats great news! I mean I just like making a little fuss about it, I actually d...

Touch_Of_Legend•6/5/24, 12:07 PM

There are two other well known FFB projects. Maybe 3 so you should take a look at them all and see what’s best.

There is the Brunner, The FFB Beast and the OpenFFB project?

Anyway I think of it like the early days IPhone vs Android thing..

Yes they are both “touch screen phones”. Yes they are both fast hardware.

No they are NOT the same. Why?

Just like the first IPhone was very intuitive… natural to use because of its IOS interface the Rhino software is the true star of the show.

It’s constantly updated with new feature sets being added or developed/discussed.

It’s “natural and intuitive” to use.. Unlike some of the HOTAS software the Rhino software is on one part complex and on one part very simple.. = Easy to use and understand.

So it’s not the Hardware because anyone can add some motors to some pulleys and with enough time figure out some code..

It’s honestly the match between the two (same as the birth of the first iPhone) and how they just “work” because of the software/hardware interface.

That’s why Rhino is king and will emerge as the king from this era.

Anyone who’s ever dealt with difficult to use software can attest to the fact that you’ll spend more time setting up than flying… The iPhone and the Rhino aren’t like that because they just “worked” (and that’s because of the software not the hardware)

Touch_Of_Legend•6/5/24, 12:11 PM

As a DIY guy I checked everything out before I settled on a build

I watched forums and Reddit and joined discords and saw with my own eyes the differences not just in price but also in the units.

Nothing wrong with any of the others but imho after giving each project an honest look.

Rhino won and will (imho) be king of this era.

But I encourage everyone to search and look for themselves and then decide what they think is best after watching and gathering the info like I did

Diverzant•6/5/24, 12:44 PM

The mere fact that Rhino was the very first I came across while searching for it says enough. Same with phones as you said. Everyone knows Iphone for a reason and not Oppo or something like that. Brunner Ice heard about but meh, didnt fancy it for some reason and the fact that every single person I asled said go with Rhino. Software itself is 70% of the product since as you said everyone can put the hardware together but to make it work and communicate as it should, thats the main issue

Bob Bushman•6/5/24, 12:46 PM

Speaking of difficult software, i have almost 25 years of experience with conputers, building, support, etc, even wrote some very jank custom solutions at some point.
But the esrly virpil software was a headache, i bricked the firmware on my throttle at least five times before I figured how to do it the correct way, fortunately it defaulted into bootloader and you can try again.

Its become a lot better since then.

TTouch_Of_Legend There are two other well known FFB projects. Maybe 3 so you should take a look a...

nubbins•6/5/24, 12:49 PM

that's a good analogy

nubbins•6/5/24, 12:50 PM

The FFbeast crowd likes to say that it is Rhino-but-better, but while there is truth to that statement I don't think it's going any further until they make something on par with telemffb

Nnubbins The FFbeast crowd likes to say that it is Rhino-but-better, but while there is t...

Touch_Of_Legend•6/5/24, 12:55 PM

Yep I totally agree!

And you can make an all metal Rhino as well haha

But for me what you said is the true key.

Problem is… Telem is way ahead and keeps pushing active updates!

So that’s where the (early days) Apple v Android comes into play.

It’s honestly the software and this software is also.. on a rocket ship so it’s just light year ahead and moving faster

Touch_Of_Legend•6/5/24, 12:57 PM

I hate to sound like a fan boy but yeah… you hit the nail on the head and none of them will ever truly compete until they can get some sort of Telem stuff figured out AND they can out push updates because Rhino also keeps getting better and pushing its own bar even further…

So it’s always a great discussion but yeah that’s why I chose to ride a Rhino.

Software is King = Rhino is King

Touch_Of_Legend•6/5/24, 12:58 PM

At the same token a little healthy competition is great for the space and for fresh ideas so it’s just a great thing to be a small part of

TTouch_Of_Legend Yep I totally agree! And you can make an all metal Rhino as well haha But for...

nubbins•6/5/24, 12:59 PM

the metal part is also......just tired lol, vkb community hears PLASTIC BAD so much

nubbins•6/5/24, 12:59 PM

isn't first party rhino stick connector based around an extrusion? And now with the machined adapter, no more concerns if there were any

Touch_Of_Legend•6/5/24, 1:00 PM

Yeah Rhino didn’t just stay the same either it’s constant evolving and I bet one day we’ll see two pots on official units

nubbins•6/5/24, 1:01 PM

funny thing to me is the lack of Estop on ffbeast - there was a whole forum discussion on it being "overkill" on rhino, but if there ever was a base that needed one I'd think it would be the 35Nm one

nubbins•6/5/24, 1:01 PM

gonna have to wear a jock cup for that

AndyHill•6/5/24, 1:02 PM

well having a spring strength adjustment for the pedals too would be nice

AndyHill•6/5/24, 1:56 PM

also if I had Rhino's software I would probably be thinking about a fairly comprehensive haptic equipment catalogue

Dentedend10•6/5/24, 2:05 PM

Hi! The other day I was in the F14. Engines shut down, drained the hydraulics pressure for the flight controls. I was expecting to feel some difference in the pressure I need to put in to
Move the flights controls. However, after hydraulics pressure gone, there was no change in how the stick felt moving the surfaces around. I’ve already posted on F14 forum, but just wondering if this is correct behaviour, F14 bug, or something that can be done on the software side ?

DDentedend10 Hi! The other day I was in the F14. Engines shut down, drained the hydraulics pr...

Kowalsky•6/5/24, 2:18 PM

check:

DDentedend10 Hi! The other day I was in the F14. Engines shut down, drained the hydraulics pr...

Number481•6/5/24, 2:27 PM

Someone will likely correct me on technicalities, but I do not believe the F-14 (or any fixed wing aircraft I know of) controls work that way. Unlike a helicopter where the control column is hydraulicly boosted (and becomes difficult to manipulate without hydraulic pressure), the stick only manipulate hydraulic actuators which in turn manipulate the control surfaces. So the loss of pressure would result in reduced or zero control effectiveness.. but you would not feel it in the stick.

That said, even if I am wrong, it is not modeled for any aircraft in DCS.

As Kowalsky pointed out, there is a (still experimental) feature in TelemFFB, mostly meant for the helo's that can increase the dampen/friction forces below a certain hydraulic pressure threshold. But its somewhat complicated to set up because of the normal way we have our dampen/friction/inertia configurations setup. You can read about it in the TelemFFB manual.

NNumber481 Someone will likely correct me on technicalities, but I do not believe the F-14 ...

Dentedend10•6/5/24, 3:02 PM

Thanks for the reply! That’s really interesting to hear

Duchess ✈•6/5/24, 3:38 PM

Okay wizards, going to need some setup suggestions for the Kiowa.

DDuchess ✈Okay wizards, going to need some setup suggestions for the Kiowa.

Anthony•6/5/24, 4:38 PM

Just me who's getting major roll oscillation in ETL?

Anthony•6/5/24, 4:38 PM

Sharp, exaggerated

Anthony•6/5/24, 4:43 PM

As in, the stick is aggressively jerked sideways to and from

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(41F) RAFAIR Dave H•6/5/24, 4:43 PM

New to the rhino and telemffb but when I see I post images of the intiefsce with the nice purple sliders etc
That’s not what I get on mine just a list of effects and a tick box to activate them
Is there a setting I need to to adjust to get the snazzy interface like this

Duchess ✈•6/5/24, 4:44 PM

I have not yet, but have only just taken a real quick circuit around the island in the Instant

((41F) RAFAIR Dave H New to the rhino and telemffb but when I see I post images of the intiefsce with...

Number481•6/5/24, 5:09 PM

I'm not sure since there's never been a version with checkboxes but no settings sliders. The "old" version didn't have any effect settings in the UI (was all text config based). The new versions have always had settings with checkboxes to enable and sliders to adjust.

Maybe a screenshot of what you do see would help.

You can always grab the latest from https://github.com/walmis/VPforce-TelemFFB/releases. Once installed (just a un-zip) it should allow you to auto-update when there are new versions.

Reed•6/5/24, 5:23 PM

Kiowa is live. Get your ffb on. It’s so good

Hey Moto! For warbirds a lot of the time the ailerons would stiffen up more than the pitch control,

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