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2y ago
halva
wasnt "apple engineers being impossible to actually contact on any issues" a bigger issue (at least
wasnt
"apple engineers being impossible to actually contact on any issues
" a bigger issue
(at least from what i remember
)
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Astral
•
6/10/24, 12:35 AM
Also Rosetta 2 technically uses some silicon level cheats that are designed into the chip to help with performance
C
char
we will then have insane battery life
V
Valerie
•
6/10/24, 12:35 AM
And still less performance than if it was x86
C
char
•
6/10/24, 12:36 AM
slightly
, but the translation costs will improve
A
Astral
•
6/10/24, 12:36 AM
x86 is always going to have a place in this world
C
char
•
6/10/24, 12:36 AM
initially it will be shit
A
Astral
•
6/10/24, 12:36 AM
especially with the sheer amount of software in its catalog
H
halva
wasnt "apple engineers being impossible to actually contact on any issues" a big...
K
Kyle Gospo
•
6/10/24, 12:36 AM
Yeah
, also things like refusing to support Vulkan
C
char
initially it will be shit
V
Valerie
•
6/10/24, 12:36 AM
Rosetta 2
's translation is literally using the parts of x86 that are hardest to emulate to speed it up and it still sucks
.
A
Astral
•
6/10/24, 12:36 AM
Oh yeah btw Apple has done the Fat Binary thing THREE TIMES BTW
C
char
•
6/10/24, 12:36 AM
Valve would need to sponsor or financially buy out the Box64 guys if you want any progress in the Linux world on this
K
Kyle Gospo
•
6/10/24, 12:36 AM
Meaning every Mac needs yet another compatibility layer because nobody is going to code for metal
A
Astral
•
6/10/24, 12:36 AM
68K to PPC
, PPC to Intel and Intel to ARM
C
char
•
6/10/24, 12:37 AM
because that project is embarrassing right now to say the least
C
char
Valve would need to sponsor or financially buy out the Box64 guys if you want an...
K
Kyle Gospo
•
6/10/24, 12:37 AM
They are already sponsoring FEX
C
char
Valve would need to sponsor or financially buy out the Box64 guys if you want an...
V
Valerie
•
6/10/24, 12:37 AM
Playtron already did that
.
K
Kyle Gospo
Meaning every Mac needs yet another compatibility layer because nobody is going ...
M
matt_schwartz
•
6/10/24, 12:37 AM
you dont understand hideo kojima will keep making metal games
C
char
because that project is embarrassing right now to say the least
C
char
•
6/10/24, 12:37 AM
last time I saw it could barely run Skyrim
K
Kyle Gospo
Yeah, also things like refusing to support Vulkan
H
halva
OP
•
6/10/24, 12:37 AM
yeah that one was straight up hostile
, metal has no reason to exist other than to make it harder to get into
/out of the ecosystem
H
halva
yeah that one was straight up hostile, metal has no reason to exist other than t...
K
Kyle Gospo
•
6/10/24, 12:37 AM
That
's already true with xcode
H
halva
OP
•
6/10/24, 12:37 AM
i really doubt apple didnt know about vulkan being in the works considering they
're 1 year of age apart
A
Astral
•
6/10/24, 12:37 AM
yeah because converting x86 code to arm code on the fly for both CPU and GPU is FUCKING HARD
K
Kyle Gospo
Yeah, also things like refusing to support Vulkan
C
char
•
6/10/24, 12:37 AM
this is not really different than Microsoft pushing their own standard
(I know they support Vulkan so it
's not the entire same thing
)
K
Kyle Gospo
•
6/10/24, 12:38 AM
The entire ecosystem is anti
-developer as far as I
'm concerned
C
char
•
6/10/24, 12:38 AM
the difference is DirectX is actually good unlike Metal
C
char
last time I saw it could barely run Skyrim
V
Valerie
•
6/10/24, 12:38 AM
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C
char
this is not really different than Microsoft pushing their own standard (I know t...
H
halva
OP
•
6/10/24, 12:38 AM
windows supports vulkan just fine
?
?
C
char
this is not really different than Microsoft pushing their own standard (I know t...
K
Kyle Gospo
•
6/10/24, 12:38 AM
Look
, one more like this and I
'm going to ban you
. It
's borderline misinformation
. Window supports Vulkan
K
Kyle Gospo
•
6/10/24, 12:38 AM
Microsoft has done nothing like metal
C
char
•
6/10/24, 12:38 AM
I didn
't say it like they don
't support it
C
char
•
6/10/24, 12:38 AM
I meant trying to push their own thing
V
Valerie
•
6/10/24, 12:38 AM
Pushing your own thing and making it the
only
thing are very different
A
Astral
•
6/10/24, 12:38 AM
Vulkan runs on basically everything at this point
H
halva
OP
•
6/10/24, 12:39 AM
they
're not
? like
they
've used dx since god knows how long
A
Astral
•
6/10/24, 12:39 AM
except I think macOS but correct me if I
'm wrong
H
halva
OP
•
6/10/24, 12:39 AM
opengl
/vulkan has always coexisted with it with no issues
A
Astral
except I think macOS but correct me if I'm wrong
K
Kyle Gospo
•
6/10/24, 12:39 AM
It only works on Mac OS via a compatibility layer that converts it to metal
K
Kyle Gospo
•
6/10/24, 12:39 AM
And is missing numerous features
C
char
•
6/10/24, 12:39 AM
Vulkan is not the default on Windows although it is supported
K
Kyle Gospo
•
6/10/24, 12:39 AM
It
's also the only operating system like that
K
Kyle Gospo
It only works on Mac OS via a compatibility layer that converts it to metal
A
Astral
•
6/10/24, 12:39 AM
oh so it
's just really bad dxvk
A
Astral
oh so it's just really bad dxvk
K
Kyle Gospo
•
6/10/24, 12:39 AM
Yeah
, twice
C
char
•
6/10/24, 12:39 AM
They push DirectX
A
Astral
except I think macOS but correct me if I'm wrong
H
halva
OP
•
6/10/24, 12:39 AM
playstation and xbox too
C
char
Vulkan is not the default on Windows although it is supported
V
Valerie
•
6/10/24, 12:39 AM
That
's not an OS thing though
. It
's more reflective of the industry
.
H
halva
OP
•
6/10/24, 12:39 AM
well
, and ios xd
K
Kyle Gospo
•
6/10/24, 12:40 AM
dxvk to Vulkan
, multanVK to metal
K
Kyle Gospo
•
6/10/24, 12:40 AM
Bro I heard you liked compatibility layers
V
Valerie
That's not an OS thing though. It's more reflective of the industry.
C
char
•
6/10/24, 12:40 AM
as someone who has looked at both graphics APIs I do not blame them at all
A
Astral
•
6/10/24, 12:40 AM
OpenGL predates DirectX
C
char
•
6/10/24, 12:40 AM
Vulkan is insanely complicated
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