They have a home website, and then a .shopify website
They have a home website, and then a .shopify website
Jthe .shopify is where I see the price etc.
LAre we re-entering the torque wars?
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LNow I'm interested
VCheckout the link to the message on their discord
Jdoesn't work unless people are in the discord
JYou can also take a pic of the message and share it here
LQuestion is what is the software driving it going to look like, I understand they already have a background with cockpit building, but again a big advantage of Rhino is the extensibility of it essentially making custom effects outside of the sim
JOr more specifically the compatibility they aim to achieve
JSoftware Compatibility: Microsoft Simulator 2020, X-Plane 11 & 12, and Prepar3D V4.5.11 and higher
FREE FFB Tools Built-in Software Features (Windows 10 & 11 Only):
– Dual-yoke function for pilot and co-pilot yoke synchronization
– Four-stage stick force curve adjustment for customized pitch & roll control profiles; ability to save & load customized profiles
– Easy-to-use interface for reading, setting, and resetting device parameters to factory settings
– Yoke Physics Simulation
– Engine Vibration Simulation
– Ground Roll Simulation
– Turbulence Simulation
– Stall Warning Simulation
- Option to disable hardware trim when aircraft is on the ground
JThe dual yoke function is really cool
Jngl
LSome of those simulation features seem like they can work outside of sim, which would be important for rudders since right now a lot of the Rhino rudder features have to happen outside of the sim given the lack of FFB rudder support broadly
JI should mention this quote is from the yoke page, so idk how much of it applies to the pedals
Nmore FFB is better, but what is this powerpoint ass presentation quality lol
JI'll definitely be interested in something like this down the road once MSFS 24 is out and DCS C130 is out given someone has a way to make the yoke work in DCS
LI think they ran it through the Office 365 design thing cause the layout looks similar
JTo me it looks like someone took a pic of the actual slide in FSE from their phone
JYou can see the left border of the projector screen maybe
Ni mean, doesn't really detract from the point that it doesn't exactly inspire confidence
Ni get that companies are small, but FFB is a lot of money to be throwing around
Non this level of presentation effort
WAccording to someone on Reddit when I mentioned the lack of fans and the Brunner that overheats easily he said his Moza wheel base never overheats and the motor has a large heatsink on them so shouldn’t in this case either, but I don’t know, there’s two of them in this compared to the one in a wheelbase.
I tend to agree on that though as I have a Fanatec DD2 wheelbase so a much stronger motor and that never overheats.
Also saw a few comments on the Rhino’s fans being very loud when they kick in, wasn’t happy to hear that.
I tend to agree on that though as I have a Fanatec DD2 wheelbase so a much stronger motor and that never overheats.
Also saw a few comments on the Rhino’s fans being very loud when they kick in, wasn’t happy to hear that.
LAlso MSFS 2024 should have more FFB features, at least that's what has been said
JLet's take a step back and consider the company's history.
They're fairly new to the consumer public, and had a crowdfund project up on Indigogo for their yokes.
They're close to fulfilling Yoke orders, with current projected shipment according to shop page being end of July.
They are situated in China.
I remember a time when WinWing was pretty similar in terms of presentation quality. They've vastly improved their whole brand look over the years.
They're fairly new to the consumer public, and had a crowdfund project up on Indigogo for their yokes.
They're close to fulfilling Yoke orders, with current projected shipment according to shop page being end of July.
They are situated in China.
I remember a time when WinWing was pretty similar in terms of presentation quality. They've vastly improved their whole brand look over the years.
VAnother neat thing about their yoke is you can upgrade from a cls-60 to a cls-120 by just buying a new motor
JYeah, if I had the funds I'd seriously consider grabbing one at the current price and hoping people can figure out software side down the road.
But, I just bought my first car a month ago (only took 32 years lmao) so my days of big purchases like the Rhino are done for the time being
But, I just bought my first car a month ago (only took 32 years lmao) so my days of big purchases like the Rhino are done for the time being
Nfair enough. Reserving judgment for the final product.
About winwing, their approach has hardly changed other than some fancier graphics lol. Website is always a mess
About winwing, their approach has hardly changed other than some fancier graphics lol. Website is always a mess
JTheir videos are high quality
Ntrue
JAnd hot take: if we're going to be critical of such things, walmis doesn't even have a fleshed out amazing quality website 
But look how many orders he has.
But look how many orders he has.Nthe point was more about quality, not quantity - not like vendors like Tianhang have a crazy web presence either
but it's also a fair point that there are plenty of good honest companies with low presentation effort, and plenty of scams that look polished
but it's also a fair point that there are plenty of good honest companies with low presentation effort, and plenty of scams that look polished
JGranted one big difference between Flitesim and VPForce is track record. No one has hands on the yoke yet, the Rhino is tried and true
LA lot of these issues are on the size of marketing teams. Different example, but you can see how Pimax has really rough marketing as most of the org is dedicated to the engineering side. Varjo is ironically larger even if from a consumer perspective less people know about it.
JAlso Varjo completely dropped consumer by discontinuing the Aero
JThey're prosumer only now
J(by that I mean, one doesn't expect a consumer to have $4.5k + $3k in yearly software subscription feels lying around)
LGoing back to that post about Flitesim's yoke, to be fair there are many orgs that need pilot training right now and specifically need XR functionality so, not entirely unexpected that Varjo shifted their focus
JVrgineers, big partner with XTAL, is in partnership with the Somnium VR1 for military side distribution (presumed sim training and soldier training)
LWhich reminds me, the VR1 is priced similar to the XR4
JYeah
JBase model doesn't make sense for the price, and the full feature model is an AVP in price
JWhich makes Quest 3 still the most accessible mixed reality + hand tracking HMD for PC (given people can have a better way to utilize them on PC which isn't available atm)
LI still want to see how the PSVR2 does when the PC module comes out. Though right now it's lacking a lot of functionality outside basic integration
JYeah, though it is suspected one dev may get those features working at some point, the absence of them makes it too hard a sell for me to justify buying; I already have an Index and Quest 3.
LAlso the fresnel lenses but, depending on how good they are (haven't tried them), it might be better than low quality aspheric or pancake lenses. And that age old debate about how much light can get through the lens
Lwinwing talking force feedback
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LSomeone asked who would be next? It's Winwing
JI feel like at this point we could just look at the order of speakers to know who will be next to announce ffb