more FFB is better, but what is this powerpoint ass presentation quality lol
more FFB is better, but what is this powerpoint ass presentation quality lol
JI'll definitely be interested in something like this down the road once MSFS 24 is out and DCS C130 is out given someone has a way to make the yoke work in DCS
LI think they ran it through the Office 365 design thing cause the layout looks similar
JTo me it looks like someone took a pic of the actual slide in FSE from their phone
JYou can see the left border of the projector screen maybe
Ni mean, doesn't really detract from the point that it doesn't exactly inspire confidence
Ni get that companies are small, but FFB is a lot of money to be throwing around
Non this level of presentation effort
WAccording to someone on Reddit when I mentioned the lack of fans and the Brunner that overheats easily he said his Moza wheel base never overheats and the motor has a large heatsink on them so shouldn’t in this case either, but I don’t know, there’s two of them in this compared to the one in a wheelbase.
I tend to agree on that though as I have a Fanatec DD2 wheelbase so a much stronger motor and that never overheats.
Also saw a few comments on the Rhino’s fans being very loud when they kick in, wasn’t happy to hear that.
I tend to agree on that though as I have a Fanatec DD2 wheelbase so a much stronger motor and that never overheats.
Also saw a few comments on the Rhino’s fans being very loud when they kick in, wasn’t happy to hear that.
LAlso MSFS 2024 should have more FFB features, at least that's what has been said
JLet's take a step back and consider the company's history.
They're fairly new to the consumer public, and had a crowdfund project up on Indigogo for their yokes.
They're close to fulfilling Yoke orders, with current projected shipment according to shop page being end of July.
They are situated in China.
I remember a time when WinWing was pretty similar in terms of presentation quality. They've vastly improved their whole brand look over the years.
They're fairly new to the consumer public, and had a crowdfund project up on Indigogo for their yokes.
They're close to fulfilling Yoke orders, with current projected shipment according to shop page being end of July.
They are situated in China.
I remember a time when WinWing was pretty similar in terms of presentation quality. They've vastly improved their whole brand look over the years.
VAnother neat thing about their yoke is you can upgrade from a cls-60 to a cls-120 by just buying a new motor
JYeah, if I had the funds I'd seriously consider grabbing one at the current price and hoping people can figure out software side down the road.
But, I just bought my first car a month ago (only took 32 years lmao) so my days of big purchases like the Rhino are done for the time being
But, I just bought my first car a month ago (only took 32 years lmao) so my days of big purchases like the Rhino are done for the time being
Nfair enough. Reserving judgment for the final product.
About winwing, their approach has hardly changed other than some fancier graphics lol. Website is always a mess
About winwing, their approach has hardly changed other than some fancier graphics lol. Website is always a mess
JTheir videos are high quality
Ntrue
JAnd hot take: if we're going to be critical of such things, walmis doesn't even have a fleshed out amazing quality website 
But look how many orders he has.
But look how many orders he has.Nthe point was more about quality, not quantity - not like vendors like Tianhang have a crazy web presence either
but it's also a fair point that there are plenty of good honest companies with low presentation effort, and plenty of scams that look polished
but it's also a fair point that there are plenty of good honest companies with low presentation effort, and plenty of scams that look polished
JGranted one big difference between Flitesim and VPForce is track record. No one has hands on the yoke yet, the Rhino is tried and true
LA lot of these issues are on the size of marketing teams. Different example, but you can see how Pimax has really rough marketing as most of the org is dedicated to the engineering side. Varjo is ironically larger even if from a consumer perspective less people know about it.
JAlso Varjo completely dropped consumer by discontinuing the Aero
JThey're prosumer only now
J(by that I mean, one doesn't expect a consumer to have $4.5k + $3k in yearly software subscription feels lying around)
LGoing back to that post about Flitesim's yoke, to be fair there are many orgs that need pilot training right now and specifically need XR functionality so, not entirely unexpected that Varjo shifted their focus
JVrgineers, big partner with XTAL, is in partnership with the Somnium VR1 for military side distribution (presumed sim training and soldier training)
LWhich reminds me, the VR1 is priced similar to the XR4
JYeah
JBase model doesn't make sense for the price, and the full feature model is an AVP in price
JWhich makes Quest 3 still the most accessible mixed reality + hand tracking HMD for PC (given people can have a better way to utilize them on PC which isn't available atm)
LI still want to see how the PSVR2 does when the PC module comes out. Though right now it's lacking a lot of functionality outside basic integration
JYeah, though it is suspected one dev may get those features working at some point, the absence of them makes it too hard a sell for me to justify buying; I already have an Index and Quest 3.
LAlso the fresnel lenses but, depending on how good they are (haven't tried them), it might be better than low quality aspheric or pancake lenses. And that age old debate about how much light can get through the lens
Lwinwing talking force feedback
L
LSomeone asked who would be next? It's Winwing
JI feel like at this point we could just look at the order of speakers to know who will be next to announce ffb
LYear of FFB. At least with SimApp we kind of know what to expect from winwing's implementation for better and worse
JYeah in a market stagnant for innovation and 'new' types of products, FFB will by default be far more exciting than anything else announced
JThis year's FSE gets an 11/10 from me so far
LStill looking for more on the rudder front particularly since that's ripe. I don't we'll see anything interesting on the throttle front though
JYeah agreed. Worst case there's always the FFB kit for MFG Crosswinds
LThe worst case is actually brunner
JIf one has the budget, yeah
JMFG crosswinds + ffb kit is some $800-900 when you factor shipping as well
Ahas there been even a hint of the turbo hyper mega taurus ffb throttle yet?
LWinWing presentation ended no throttle hints.
Jyeah big sadge
DI think throttle is coming, its just not ready to announce
LIf you could try and get anything out of them while on the floor that would be great. Something to at least say the project isn't dead
JLooking at the schedule it doesn't look like we can expect any presentations from Virpil or VKB. Virpil will have a presentation at their own booth, and focus on their new Cadet lineup.
LProbably that new CM4 looking throttle with the cadet grip