Have you made sure that the pulley is firmly connected to the motor axis?
Have you made sure that the pulley is firmly connected to the motor axis?
Ayeah, i'm 99% sure it's a software thing around how it blends the forces when it hits the max level, it doesn't so much feel like something is popping out or skipping, but moreso like the resistance force changes
Ahere's a video that shows things a bit better, it does appear to reduce the effect a bit if i reduce max motor current, but doesn't completely get rid of it. another interesting thing i notice in the vpforce ui, is the pink arrow seems to jitter around where that point is that i feel the effect
NYour Ibus is maxing out at "max PSU current". I think if you increase that to 8 or 9 you will notice the flat spot in the force later into the pull.. However, I dont know what the safe max for that value is so I'd clear it with walmis first
Ayeah -- i feel like it's probably something related to how those different fields work together
Acan anyone else repro this with spring up to 100% and a pull like that?
Aor is this something unique to my setup
NYes. At 30/7 (motor/psu) I feel the force max out around %80-90 of travel and you can see the red force arrow fluctuating as it is bouncing off one or both of those values.
Ado you run at those values yourself? or did you just change to repro? also thanks for testing!
NMy normal profile is 28/9 (my psu is rated for 9.5A so I guess thats OK 
). I guess I do still feel a bit of a flattening at the extremes, but its actually hitting against
). I guess I do still feel a bit of a flattening at the extremes, but its actually hitting against curr_y which seems to map to the motor current@ 28AAare you running a custom PSU? or just the one that shipped with the rhino?
Nthe one it shipped with (19v 9.5A). My pedals PSU is 24V 10A.. wonder if it would feel any different with that PSU vs the standard one? How that all calculates out is beyond my electrical knowledge 
Aok yeah, i have the same power supply as you
Ainteresting you've been running quite higher values for PSU current
NI guess I've always felt the force flatten out at the extremities with high gain, but I guess its just never bothered me. With the type of flying I normally do, I almost never reach full excursion of the controls.
i can't seem to completely get rid of it. At PSU=9... with Motor=29, it hits the motor max first, with Motor=30, it hits PSU max.. maybe if there was more granularity to the motor current value you could tune it so they peak at the same time...
Speculation is fun when the smart guy (walmis) is sleeping
i can't seem to completely get rid of it. At PSU=9... with Motor=29, it hits the motor max first, with Motor=30, it hits PSU max.. maybe if there was more granularity to the motor current value you could tune it so they peak at the same time...
Speculation is fun when the smart guy (walmis) is sleeping
Ahaha -- so yeah, when flying helicopters and stuff, i never notice it because to your point, never at full limits with full spring force. I do notice it in the F14 a bunch because they do something where the spring forces are stronger than the default ones we have in configurator, so i def notice it a lot more there
Aand also in WW2 stuff, where you can often get into one or two circle fights
N30/9 feels pretty good to me. Not perfect, but better... but I don't know if I'm playing with fire 
(literally). Dropping the gain down to even %95 though seems to remove the flat spot completely and I honestly can't feel a difference in the max force applied.. just that its reached smoothly at full deflection instead of right before it. 
(literally). Dropping the gain down to even %95 though seems to remove the flat spot completely and I honestly can't feel a difference in the max force applied.. just that its reached smoothly at full deflection instead of right before it. Ayeah -- i did try messing with the max gain a bit, which did seem to help a bit, but yeah, hopefully there's some sort of firmware cleverness there that can negate any need for stuff like this (since i think ultimately in game forces can end up applying differently and still cause the issues -- i.e. the F14)
NIf you set the slider at %95. No game can ever exceed %95, it would be "commanded gain" * "slider gain".
Nwith no game running, its basically "effects tab spring %" * "slider gain"
AOh I see what you’re saying
AI was tinkering with gain a bit earlier to try to solve that
AVery much appreciate you going down this rabbit hole with me though! Hopefully walmis has some more context/thoughts here when he’s back
HI think the main problem here is that the gains are just too high. Reduce the spring gain by 5 or so and don’t hit the maximums anymore….. (or use a bigger PSU )
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OAnyone in south wales who knows how to set up my system?
Swhen i plug in my motors to the power and usb there is a greenish yellow light and it ocassionally flashes red they seem to be working but is this a problem
WIt flashes red when there's an operational fault, fault code is displayed in the bottom of the configurator app. Motor(s) needs to be reset to clear the fault from the "Debug" tab or a power reset.
WForce saturation is perfectly normal, for example we will soon have the ability to have very stiff centering (spring at >100%) at the cost of force saturation when outside the motor operating envelope.
In theory you can set the PSU limit to the rated PSU current, but if the PSU shutdowns during rapid movements decrease it a bit
In theory you can set the PSU limit to the rated PSU current, but if the PSU shutdowns during rapid movements decrease it a bit
Anot sure i totally follow with regard too force saturation -- is that what you're saying happens when i feel that change towards the edge of the movement limits?
(@Oneill what help do you need I’m not anywhere near wales as in scotland and just built my own rhino the setup is relatively easy if you follow the manual to the letter
OI’m completely hopeless with anything to do PC wise.
I’ve got the best set up I could afford and I can’t seem to get it right, I’ve set the stick up but there’s no feedback plus when I turn or put any input in, it just stays on that input until it crashes.
I’ve spent about 12 k on so far
.
Just need someone to sort it for me, I was hoping it was plug and play.
I don’t have any use for a PC other than this sim, all my stuff for work is on tablets or my diagnostic stuff.
I’ve got the best set up I could afford and I can’t seem to get it right, I’ve set the stick up but there’s no feedback plus when I turn or put any input in, it just stays on that input until it crashes.
I’ve spent about 12 k on so far
.Just need someone to sort it for me, I was hoping it was plug and play.
I don’t have any use for a PC other than this sim, all my stuff for work is on tablets or my diagnostic stuff.
WWhich sim you need setting up? I probably could help you via remote desktop.
OMsfs 2020.
I’ve got it running but the display is terrible and I can’t get the stick settings right.
It’s a AMD Ryzen 9
7900X Processor
I’ve got it running but the display is terrible and I can’t get the stick settings right.
It’s a AMD Ryzen 9
7900X Processor
- NVIDIA GeForce
RTX 4090
Graphics - 32GB DDR5
RAM, 2TB SSD (M.2
NVMe) - 240mm AIO
Liquid Cooler, 2x
200mm
ARGB Fans.
I did have a friend to set it up but he’s not been on for a while.
If you could just get the stick working for me I’ll pay for your time.
WWDYM the display is terrible?
WYou mean graphics settings?
OYes, the display on the vr is blurry, I’ve tried different settings.
That’s not the problem, setting up the stick I bought from you is.
Like I said I’m useless with PC’s,
I’m a mechanic so I’ve never really used them.
That’s not the problem, setting up the stick I bought from you is.
Like I said I’m useless with PC’s,
I’m a mechanic so I’ve never really used them.
OWhich VR? Reverb G2 us pretty blurry.
OIt’s a PICO 4, used to be fine but after the pc did an update for msfs 2020 it’s all gone to shit, can’t see the runway lines until you are almost on top of it.
PHey m8 what do you need help with re setting up the Rhino?
PI'm in Aus & not a PC wiz but maybe I can help??
OYes buddy, im absolutely hopeless with computers.
I’m a mechanic plus I’m halfway through my pilots licence.
But this f ing computer shit drives me crazy
I’m a mechanic plus I’m halfway through my pilots licence
.But this f ing computer shit drives me crazy
Pok so what do you need help with? I'm guessing you have the Rhino there ready to plug into wall outlet power & the USB to PC?
Pif you like I can jump into voice chat with you & it might be easier to explaine?
PI'll be in voip if you want to jump in & see if I can help out
OI’m in work for the next 4 hours
Pthat's all good m8. I might not be around by then 
. Feel free to hit me up when you see me online tomorrow or whenever. I'll be happy to try help out if I can m8. Goodluck in the mean time.
. Feel free to hit me up when you see me online tomorrow or whenever. I'll be happy to try help out if I can m8. Goodluck in the mean time.OCheers fella
Pno worries m8.
MI've just started using telemffb yesterday, and when I try to load configurator profiles either on start or per aircraft, I get the following error
MProfiles work fine when imported into the configurator manually