I’ve got heavily moderated on the Moza discord server, someone claimed that they could use the stick

I’ve got heavily moderated on the Moza discord server, someone claimed that they could use the stick as a shifter or handbrake and I simply mentioned that it likely doesn’t have the same level of forces to simulate this then administrative staff deleted all my comments about my thoughts and opinions

ddrake1984OP•6/28/24, 4:46 AM

Looks like they want to maintain an echo chamber

Dddrake1984 I’ve got heavily moderated on the Moza discord server, someone claimed that they...

Majik•6/28/24, 4:51 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfft-NoujPw
It's similar power to the Rhino, no?

YouTubeValmantas Palikša

VPforce RHINO FFB H-Shifter (Detents feature showcase)

Detents will be available in the next firmware release 1.0.17

Dddrake1984 I’ve got heavily moderated on the Moza discord server, someone claimed that they...

walmis•6/28/24, 4:53 AM

Yeah, it's doable, but you're correct it won't be as hard mechanical stops. Similarly how it is with Rhino soft endstops vs limiter plate.
And it's very slimy from Moza when they attempt delete/hide all criticism

Dddrake1984 Looks like they want to maintain an echo chamber

Jon (Bounty_V)•6/28/24, 5:13 AM

Man sounds like simracing bros are a different breed

Wwalmis Yeah, it's doable, but you're correct it won't be as hard mechanical stops. Simi...

ddrake1984OP•6/28/24, 5:40 AM

Agreed, and they still show me marketing brochures, but no proof of the forces they provide, I tested at the expo and it felt half the strength if the rhino

ddrake1984OP•6/28/24, 5:40 AM

So I officially asked in the correct channel for their feedback

ddrake1984OP•6/28/24, 5:41 AM

ddrake1984OP•6/28/24, 5:41 AM

And this time, I took screenshots, so they dont delete them when they can’t or won’t answer

ddrake1984OP•6/28/24, 5:42 AM

I just want information on their product without be drowned down with marketing

MMajik https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfft-NoujPw It's similar power to the Rhino, no?

ddrake1984OP•6/28/24, 5:43 AM

I was very upset when they deleted my comments, becuase I know rhino demoed this, but handbreak? That will require a lot of torque? Is that the right word… to stop this thing and act like a real break

ddrake1984OP•6/28/24, 5:44 AM

Anyway, they claim 12nm peak, but the motors look smaller than rhino and is 12nm for 1-2 seconds before it cuts out?

ddrake1984OP•6/28/24, 5:44 AM

Anyway, im on a fact finding mission

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Diverzant•6/28/24, 5:48 AM

You are not supposed to ask that. Just shut up and be fed marketing BS how its the best product that was ever created by the hand of god himself

walmis•6/28/24, 5:49 AM

There's speculation, that they declared the 12nm peak as a combination of both motors , √ (9²+9²)=12,72 Nm

ddrake1984OP•6/28/24, 5:49 AM

I have the rhino, so I know what I expect and so far only the rhino offers the best features for the price

Wwalmis There's speculation, that they declared the 12nm peak as a combination of both m...

ddrake1984OP•6/28/24, 5:49 AM

Thats what I said

ddrake1984OP•6/28/24, 5:50 AM

When they said 9 initially, I was like 4.5 per motor

Diverzant•6/28/24, 5:50 AM

Dont expect an only profit driven company to be better than something solely dedicated to do one thing

ddrake1984OP•6/28/24, 5:50 AM

I said that to them at the expo

ddrake1984OP•6/28/24, 5:50 AM

Then they said, this is only a prototype…

ddrake1984OP•6/28/24, 5:50 AM

Then I hear they starting to sell it soon

Diverzant•6/28/24, 5:51 AM

Imo its only like a gimmick to test the waters

Diverzant•6/28/24, 5:52 AM

It will je sort of ffb but not able to sustain it for longer periods and every youtub simmer will tell you how its the best thing a man ever created

Wwalmis There's speculation, that they declared the 12nm peak as a combination of both m...

Hiob•6/28/24, 5:53 AM

@Touch_Of_Legend Yeah, correct. They explicitly write that on their product page. It's the theoretical diagonal maximum. (minus the geometry effect of the twist of the gimbal core)

Hiob•6/28/24, 5:54 AM

They still claim 9Nm peak per axis

Dddrake1984 I was very upset when they deleted my comments, becuase I know rhino demoed this...

Majik•6/28/24, 5:55 AM

Trying to hide/delete comments always sucks, especially as you're only trying to offer your opinion ad feedback. Also, I didn't even consider handbrake, can't see that working

DDiverzant It will je sort of ffb but not able to sustain it for longer periods and every y...

ddrake1984OP•6/28/24, 6:09 AM

That’s the thing that annoys me. I want buyers to have the very best of factual information when they buy something and not be subject to marketing trickery.

MMajik Trying to hide/delete comments always sucks, especially as you're only trying to...

ddrake1984OP•6/28/24, 6:11 AM

This won’t stop me though, I will persist until I get all my answers

Dddrake1984 That’s the thing that annoys me. I want buyers to have the very best of factual ...

Diverzant•6/28/24, 6:18 AM

That aint gonna happen. They dont give a rats ass about anything except your money

amadeus•6/28/24, 6:24 AM

not to totally defend moza here, but it's possible it was just an overzealous moderator that misinterpreted the communication. regardless of whether they make something as good as the rhino or not, it's in general great validation for brands to start getting into this market, it will drive competition and hopefully eventually drive prices down

amadeus•6/28/24, 6:26 AM

imo we should be welcoming of all competition and nudging them gently to be better if we think they can be

Aamadeus not to totally defend moza here, but it's possible it was just an overzealous mo...

Wyber Boyes•6/28/24, 6:36 AM

Well said

walmis•6/28/24, 6:53 AM

I see Virpil has started to FOMO and announced FFB

Stryker990•6/28/24, 6:56 AM

Even more competition for walmis

Wwalmis I see Virpil has started to FOMO and announced FFB 🙂

amadeus•6/28/24, 7:00 AM

where?

amadeus•6/28/24, 7:00 AM

(honestly -- i was low key hoping they would just hire you :P)

walmis•6/28/24, 7:00 AM

Facebook

walmis•6/28/24, 7:01 AM

Truthfully, being a salaried employee is meh and I wouldn't want to work for them. Licencing would be more interesting.

amadeus•6/28/24, 7:01 AM

yeah that's totally fair

Wwalmis Yeah, it's doable, but you're correct it won't be as hard mechanical stops. Simi...

nubbins•6/28/24, 7:33 AM

from a company that is trying with non-committal marketing language to make it look like the entire product is "AVIATION-GRADE ALUMINUM CONSTRUCTION" lol

nubbins•6/28/24, 7:34 AM

and promising "universal" compatibility with "all" third party grips and almost immediately walking that back

nubbins•6/28/24, 7:35 AM

i want to like moza for their initiative here, but they're just increasingly looking like a second thrustmaster

Aamadeus not to totally defend moza here, but it's possible it was just an overzealous mo...

ddrake1984OP•6/28/24, 7:44 AM

I hope this is all it was, and ill give them the benefit of the doubt

ddrake1984OP•6/28/24, 7:45 AM

Walmis brought FFB to life, he will bring more to life and we will see if these larger companies can keep up with a single person

Nnubbins and promising "universal" compatibility with "all" third party grips and almost ...

ddrake1984OP•6/28/24, 7:46 AM

I laughed when I saw that

ddrake1984OP•6/28/24, 7:46 AM

I was like, orly,… only rhino can truly claim this

ddrake1984OP•6/28/24, 7:47 AM

Lets see what you come with.. oh, you backtracked.. lol

ddrake1984OP•6/28/24, 7:48 AM

I truly want them to succeed, but I dont want to be lied to or tricked into buying something and then finding out later it was a slimey sales tactic

ddrake1984OP•6/28/24, 7:48 AM

They are a big company, they know all the tricks

Dddrake1984 Lets see what you come with.. oh, you backtracked.. lol

nubbins•6/28/24, 7:50 AM

many excited vkb owners were piping up about vkb compatibility this past week

fortunately for them, walmis is still here to save the day

I’ve got heavily moderated on the Moza discord server, someone claimed that they could use the stick

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