yeah a light weight high quality plastic or resin is way better with the Rhino imho. A really nice light weight metal would be good too, the WW F-18 grip isn't too heavy, then compare to the VKB mcgu which feels like a club on the end of an extension. I blame TM for the "metal grips are superior quality" idea
The buttons where heavier, and it helps when your only competition has design flaws in everything causing them to fail after a few months.
I found it interesting how my warthog throttle and virpil throttle weighed exactly the same, people still seem to think, "It's heavy, it must be quality."
The warthog had double steel bottom plates with half a dozen lead weights attached, the rest apart from the stamped sheets on top of the grip is plastic and glue.
I've gotten less flex out things I've 3d printed than those throttle levers.
TM Warthog is like 100 years old now, when you compare it to the plastic grips of the time it came out, the metal TM really wasnt that bad. Now though its just outdated by a mile
tbh from what I've heard the Tm had decent buttons, hats, switches. I just like crapping on TM they had the high end hotas market to themself & did no innovation etc. it took them 15yrs to change the tdc on the throttle. They have finally bought out a cam/spring base & the other companies are starting to move to ffb I wonder how long it'll take them to release one? 15yrs again.
My first hotas was Warthog. The niple tdc is horrible and you must swap it out, buttons are heavy thats for sure and the thing is all in all reliable and feels solid. Throttle levers are ass, the base is ok but it definitely feels outdated and in dire need of an update
oh god i just looked up TM website...hornet stick with base for .......600$....for that price you can get a Winwing hornet stick+base WITH a hornet throttle+base
what i forgot to mention: with the WW offering you still have money left over .... well the only thing you DONT get with the WW offering would be a stick twist axis which would costs 80$ making it more expensive than TM
WW needs to swap out the top 3 way on their f-15 e throttle grip for a 4 way+push hat & they could sell it as an A-10 throttle, they would then offer A-10, F-15E, F-16 & F-18 all of them using the same base too
The A-10 throttle (only because nobody else currently offers a a-10 specific throttle) and low end sticks like the t16000 are the only semi worthwhile offerings TM has imo
auch.. I checked that I paid 335 eur in 2011 for the whole Warthog kit (joystick + throttle). Inflation calculator says it would equal 424,50 eur in 2023's money.
WH throttle main board chip is vulnerable to static . I had to replace the chip and wiring in both throttle grips (and the 3-position switch in left throttle while I was at it). Better than new now, but of course STECS was released right after that so I haven't used it at all.
The pedal trim settings in DCS are useless since DCS doesnβt support FFB pedals. TelemFFB overrides the FFB spring for DIY pedals in DCS. Otherwise, all of the FFB commands meant for the cyclic get sent to the pedals as well.
Ahh but the feel of the cool metal....I notice it every time e I put my hands on the metal f18 super taurus throttle...I don't remember what the t37 and t38 stick grips felt like...kc135 yoke was metal...airbus stick is plastic...as much as we badmouth TM...warthog was king for a long time...and the pendulum pedals while exhibiting cheapness are a great design and have a real feel to them because they don't vary in width as you move them.
Warthog was only "king" because there was nothing else on the market. As soon as there was competition, it got outshined, because the competition actually y'know, innovated
yes but another way of looking at that is how far ahead of time they were able to bring a hotas to market...that they decided not to compete down the road is another story but so many of us enjoyed years of the warthog when it was the only game in town.
and I really don't see a reason to compare apples to oranges. Real viper grip is resin, so resin it should be (RS, TH). But real flanker grip is not resin, so it's kinda weird to be talking about MCGU/FLNKR as swinging a club on the end of an extension
Many real grips are resin but viper and warthog are both investment cast aluminum, which feels much different than zinc and feels closer to plastic. Essex still makes them.. Iβll link later when I get home
The F-16 Fighting Falcon Sidestick Control Grip is the main pilot/aircraft interface for flight, avionics and armament systems. Manufactured of precision cast aluminum, this grip is resistant to environmental conditions per MIL-STD-810. The stick grip provides a variety of single and multi-function switch assemblies for flight control, autopilot...
The F-15 Stick Grip - Front Seat is the main pilot/aircraft interface for flight, avionics and armament systems. Manufactured of high-strength molded plastic, the grip is resistant to environmental conditions per MIL-STD-810. This stick grip provides a variety of single and multi-function switch assemblies for aircraft trim control, display mana...
The F-18 Stick Grip is the main pilot/aircraft interface for flight, avionics and armament systems. Manufactured of high-strength molded plastic, the grip is resistant to environmental conditions per MIL-STD-810. This stick grip provides a variety of single and multi-function switch assemblies for aircraft trim control, display management, weapo...
Just got the pdmg 777 For msfs - no profile so just use another jet as the proxy - but it feels horrible mainly no resistance on the stick - Anyone got any suggest telem settings to make it feel better?