VPforce Controls•2y ago

never mind, all it took was to watch the trailer 😁 finally a faithful representation of flanker co

never mind, all it took was to watch the trailer

finally a faithful representation of flanker controls

LastRonin•6/28/24, 9:59 PM

I hope they do something about the gating on the hats though

Nnubbins never mind, all it took was to watch the trailer 😁 finally a faithful represen...

ddrake1984•6/28/24, 11:25 PM

Agreed, I feel this is likely one of, if not the best reconstruction of a russian grip to date

amadeus•6/28/24, 11:31 PM

I want to get a metal grip for the rhino, def kinda vibin this new Virpil one too :thonk:

AndyHill•6/28/24, 11:34 PM

a lot depends on what kind of hats it has

AndyHill•6/28/24, 11:34 PM

I really prefer mcgu hats over the mongoos ones

AAndyHill I really prefer mcgu hats over the mongoos ones

nubbinsOP•6/28/24, 11:39 PM

i can't tell if they made improvements for this one

nubbinsOP•6/28/24, 11:39 PM

the hat dust covers are nice

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Reed•6/29/24, 12:24 AM

Got a link

Aamadeus I want to get a metal grip for the rhino, def kinda vibin this new Virpil one to...

ddrake1984•6/29/24, 12:36 AM

it is frigging cool dude

RReed Got a link

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一五式艦上戦闘爆撃機Kyūden•6/29/24, 4:18 AM

https://dcadf4-5.myshopify.com/ https://discord.gg/mHVvczkZ

TIANHANG SPACE

Aamadeus I want to get a metal grip for the rhino, def kinda vibin this new Virpil one to...

SR-F_Winger_[73]_David•6/29/24, 5:16 AM

I Hope they start preorders soon. Sexy piece of Hardware. Want one

amadeus•6/29/24, 5:30 AM

Would it just work on the rhino if plugged in? Or would it require a firmware update?

Aamadeus Would it just work on the rhino if plugged in? Or would it require a firmware up...

walmis•6/29/24, 5:32 AM

It would probably 99% work if the hardware button/hat layout is somewhat consistent with their other grips

RoboGeoff•6/29/24, 11:33 AM

Having resin RealSimulator F-16 and F-18 grips, I never want a "metal" grip. I guess it's preferable to cheap plastic

RRoboGeoff Having resin RealSimulator F-16 and F-18 grips, I never want a "metal" grip. I g...

Arno•6/29/24, 11:53 AM

But the price... ouch

RRoboGeoff Having resin RealSimulator F-16 and F-18 grips, I never want a "metal" grip. I g...

PiNKSH!T•6/29/24, 11:55 AM

yeah a light weight high quality plastic or resin is way better with the Rhino imho. A really nice light weight metal would be good too, the WW F-18 grip isn't too heavy, then compare to the VKB mcgu which feels like a club on the end of an extension. I blame TM for the "metal grips are superior quality" idea

RoboGeoff•6/29/24, 11:56 AM

except Thrustmaster wasn't. That painted cheap cast alloy is terrible. They were maybe superior to the cheap joystick plastic shells of the 2000s

Bob Bushman•6/29/24, 12:03 PM

The buttons where heavier, and it helps when your only competition has design flaws in everything causing them to fail after a few months.

I found it interesting how my warthog throttle and virpil throttle weighed exactly the same, people still seem to think, "It's heavy, it must be quality."

The warthog had double steel bottom plates with half a dozen lead weights attached, the rest apart from the stamped sheets on top of the grip is plastic and glue.

I've gotten less flex out things I've 3d printed than those throttle levers.

RRoboGeoff except Thrustmaster wasn't. That painted cheap cast alloy is terrible. They were...

PiNKSH!T•6/29/24, 12:04 PM

oh yeah I agree TM metal was/is crap, but their marketing was good to get ppl to believe that metal must mean better.

Diverzant•6/29/24, 12:12 PM

TM Warthog is like 100 years old now, when you compare it to the plastic grips of the time it came out, the metal TM really wasnt that bad. Now though its just outdated by a mile

AndyHill•6/29/24, 12:15 PM

F-16EX and MCGU weigh about the same, the latter is more top heavy, though

DDiverzant TM Warthog is like 100 years old now, when you compare it to the plastic grips o...

PiNKSH!T•6/29/24, 12:16 PM

tbh from what I've heard the Tm had decent buttons, hats, switches. I just like crapping on TM

they had the high end hotas market to themself & did no innovation etc. it took them 15yrs to change the tdc on the throttle. They have finally bought out a cam/spring base & the other companies are starting to move to ffb I wonder how long it'll take them to release one? 15yrs again.

Stryker990•6/29/24, 12:18 PM

everybody who is still recommending TM is just coping because they paid so much and ive paid less for a superior product from another company

PPiNKSH!T tbh from what I've heard the Tm had decent buttons, hats, switches. I just like ...

Diverzant•6/29/24, 12:19 PM

My first hotas was Warthog. The niple tdc is horrible and you must swap it out, buttons are heavy thats for sure and the thing is all in all reliable and feels solid. Throttle levers are ass, the base is ok but it definitely feels outdated and in dire need of an update

Diverzant•6/29/24, 12:20 PM

atm thers absolutely no need to buy TM, way better options for same or less around

Stryker990•6/29/24, 12:44 PM

oh god i just looked up TM website...hornet stick with base for .......600$....for that price you can get a Winwing hornet stick+base WITH a hornet throttle+base

Diverzant•6/29/24, 12:46 PM

Yeah, their pricing is as if they dont want to sell those things

Stryker990•6/29/24, 12:49 PM

what i forgot to mention: with the WW offering you still have money left over .... well the only thing you DONT get with the WW offering would be a stick twist axis which would costs 80$ making it more expensive than TM

Stryker990•6/29/24, 12:50 PM

but then again for ~40$ more you get roughly the same as TM + a throttle

so i would say at that point who cares about that bit extra

DDiverzant atm thers absolutely no need to buy TM, way better options for same or less arou...

PiNKSH!T•6/29/24, 12:52 PM

WW needs to swap out the top 3 way on their f-15 e throttle grip for a 4 way+push hat & they could sell it as an A-10 throttle, they would then offer A-10, F-15E, F-16 & F-18 all of them using the same base too

Stryker990•6/29/24, 12:54 PM

The A-10 throttle (only because nobody else currently offers a a-10 specific throttle) and low end sticks like the t16000 are the only semi worthwhile offerings TM has imo

SStryker990 oh god i just looked up TM website...hornet stick with base for .......600$....f...

hcee.•6/29/24, 2:23 PM

auch.. I checked that I paid 335 eur in 2011 for the whole Warthog kit (joystick + throttle). Inflation calculator says it would equal 424,50 eur in 2023's money.

Hhcee.auch.. I checked that I paid 335 eur in 2011 for the whole Warthog kit (joystick...

hcee.•6/29/24, 2:27 PM

The throttle still feels as new. The stick base's gimbal broke when I used a 10 cm extension with the stick :/

Hhcee.The throttle still feels as new. The stick base's gimbal broke when I used a 10 ...

LeLv30_Superbus•6/29/24, 5:15 PM

WH throttle main board chip is vulnerable to static

. I had to replace the chip and wiring in both throttle grips (and the 3-position switch in left throttle while I was at it). Better than new now, but of course STECS was released right after that

so I haven't used it at all.

Icebeat•6/29/24, 6:12 PM

hi guys, are any of you flying the Apache with FFB pedals, what are your trim settings in DCS?

Number481•6/29/24, 6:18 PM

The pedal trim settings in DCS are useless since DCS doesn’t support FFB pedals. TelemFFB overrides the FFB spring for DIY pedals in DCS. Otherwise, all of the FFB commands meant for the cyclic get sent to the pedals as well.

Bozo VFA-86•6/29/24, 7:33 PM

Ahh but the feel of the cool metal....I notice it every time e I put my hands on the metal f18 super taurus throttle...I don't remember what the t37 and t38 stick grips felt like...kc135 yoke was metal...airbus stick is plastic...as much as we badmouth TM...warthog was king for a long time...and the pendulum pedals while exhibiting cheapness are a great design and have a real feel to them because they don't vary in width as you move them.

MashedPotato•6/29/24, 7:37 PM

Warthog was only "king" because there was nothing else on the market. As soon as there was competition, it got outshined, because the competition actually y'know, innovated

Bozo VFA-86•6/29/24, 7:51 PM

yes but another way of looking at that is how far ahead of time they were able to bring a hotas to market...that they decided not to compete down the road is another story but so many of us enjoyed years of the warthog when it was the only game in town.

AAndyHill F-16EX and MCGU weigh about the same, the latter is more top heavy, though

nubbinsOP•6/29/24, 8:00 PM

and I really don't see a reason to compare apples to oranges. Real viper grip is resin, so resin it should be (RS, TH). But real flanker grip is not resin, so it's kinda weird to be talking about MCGU/FLNKR as swinging a club on the end of an extension

nubbinsOP•6/29/24, 8:00 PM

Not like the rhino is "inadequate" for any of these grips sooo

Nnubbins and I really don't see a reason to compare apples to oranges. Real viper grip is...

mechsicko•6/29/24, 8:58 PM

Many real grips are resin but viper and warthog are both investment cast aluminum, which feels much different than zinc and feels closer to plastic. Essex still makes them.. I’ll link later when I get home

Mmechsicko Many real grips are resin but viper and warthog are both investment cast aluminu...

nubbinsOP•6/29/24, 9:07 PM

interesting.

nubbinsOP•6/29/24, 9:09 PM

I think F18 and F15 center grip are not metallic?

Nnubbins I think F18 and F15 center grip are not metallic?

mechsicko•6/30/24, 1:39 AM

F18 for sure resin but I think F15 is also

mechsicko•6/30/24, 2:52 AM

Confirmed, F15 and F18 are cast resin of sorts, compared to aluminum F16 https://essexindustries.com/products/f-16-fighting-falcon-sidestick-control-grip/
https://essexindustries.com/products/f-15-stick-grip-front-seat/
https://essexindustries.com/products/f-18-stick-grip/

Essex Industriesadmin

F-16 FIGHTING FALCON SIDESTICK CONTROL GRIP - Essex Industries

The F-16 Fighting Falcon Sidestick Control Grip is the main pilot/aircraft interface for flight, avionics and armament systems. Manufactured of precision cast aluminum, this grip is resistant to environmental conditions per MIL-STD-810. The stick grip provides a variety of single and multi-function switch assemblies for flight control, autopilot...

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F-15 STICK GRIP – FRONT SEAT - Essex Industries

The F-15 Stick Grip - Front Seat is the main pilot/aircraft interface for flight, avionics and armament systems. Manufactured of high-strength molded plastic, the grip is resistant to environmental conditions per MIL-STD-810. This stick grip provides a variety of single and multi-function switch assemblies for aircraft trim control, display mana...

Essex Industriesadmin

F-18 STICK GRIP - Essex Industries

The F-18 Stick Grip is the main pilot/aircraft interface for flight, avionics and armament systems. Manufactured of high-strength molded plastic, the grip is resistant to environmental conditions per MIL-STD-810. This stick grip provides a variety of single and multi-function switch assemblies for aircraft trim control, display management, weapo...

mac22443506•6/30/24, 4:32 PM

Just got the pdmg 777
For msfs - no profile so just use another jet as the proxy - but it feels horrible mainly no resistance on the stick -
Anyone got any suggest telem settings to make it feel better?

Jabbers•6/30/24, 8:51 PM

Is there a lead time for the TM->WW and VKB->TM adapters

JJabbers Is there a lead time for the TM->WW and VKB->TM adapters

nubbinsOP•6/30/24, 8:56 PM

VKB adapter is just available

nubbinsOP•6/30/24, 8:56 PM

Shouldn't add appreciable time to your order

never mind, all it took was to watch the trailer 😁 finally a faithful representation of flanker co

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