Interesting, didn't know this method. Only knew the centering tool method......which I've been doing

Interesting, didn't know this method. Only knew the centering tool method......which I've been doing without the centering tool

frustration galore

Nnubbins Interesting, didn't know this method. Only knew the centering tool method......w...

Hiob•7/4/24, 10:07 AM

Well, I don't know if Walmis would approve that - it is certainly not "by the manual", but it works and makes mounting the belt without messing the position up much more easy (of course the rhino must be powered and the spring gain activated)

Naoki_NT3•7/4/24, 1:35 PM

Dear all, quite newbie’s questions.
How does the configurator works? My main sim is the Condor and it has native FFB support. How the configurator and the potentiometer besides kill switch work? Does the configurator setting override sim’s FFB signals?
I feel subtle buffeting on stalling. Is it possible to strengthen vibration at buffeting through the configuration software?

And more, what about TelemFFB for? I don’t know I can use it for the Condor.

NNaoki_NT3 Dear all, quite newbie’s questions. How does the configurator works? My main sim...

Number481•7/4/24, 2:15 PM

Generally speaking, the configurator utility is used to set the max capabilities and characteristics of the Rhino.

The sliders on the settings tab set the max intensity for any of the 6 effect types. There is also a master gain control. No effect that is commanded by a game or app will be able to exceed the value that is configured for the applicable slider. The slider acts like a factor. So if you have spring set at %50, and a game sets the spring effect to %80, the resultant force will be
```
0.8 * 0.5
```
```
0.8 * 0.5
```
which is %40 of what the true max capability of the Rhino is.
The settings on the effects tab are used to generate basic effects on the Rhino when there is no game or app commanding FFB events. When a game or app starts an effect, these are overridden by those commanded from the game/app unless you have "Sticky" enabled. If you have "sticky" enabled for an effect type, the Rhino will ignore those sent by a game and keep the one defined in the Effects tab active.
The potentiometer can be bound to any of the effect type sliders or the master gain slider. It simply allows you to further adjust the value within the set slider value without having to open the configurator tool. Its most common to have it connected to either Master Gain or Spring.

TelemFFB does different things depending on the sim. For DCS and IL2 which have native FFB support, it is really just adding auxiliary effects like gunfire, engine rumble, etc. For MSFS and X-Plane which have no FFB support, it fully implements FFB based on telemetry that is read from the sim.

Condor is not supported by TelemFFB. There is a limited amount of telemetry available from Condor, but it is really not enough to be able to implement much of anything with TelemFFB.

To your question about the buffeting in condor. Generally, any effect that "shakes" is a Periodic type effect. Therefore, increasing the periodic effect slider in Configurator will increase the force for that effect type overall.

PokePoke•7/4/24, 3:51 PM

sorry for changing orders but I found that shipping method is changed to lp express from fedex priority. is it fast enough?

PPokePoke sorry for changing orders but I found that shipping method is changed to lp expr...

walmis•7/4/24, 4:33 PM

It's a bit slower than FedEx, ~7 days, if you wish I can quote FedEx, but its price is about twice.

PokePoke•7/4/24, 5:04 PM

got it, paid already.

PokePoke•7/4/24, 5:05 PM

since another parts will be arrived 7-10days after, might be okay.

kaltokri•7/4/24, 6:15 PM

I love my Rhino, but in DCS when flying A-10CII it reacts weird. In normal flight it pulls upwards all the time.
At full speed I have to trim down at maximum. I don't have this in F/A-18C & F-16C.
With the Virpil Base it is working fine.
I know it is intended to have this forward offset. But this trim issue makes the combination of Rhino + A-10CII unuseable.
Can I change the behaviour somehow?

kaltokri•7/4/24, 6:22 PM

A friend of mine has the same problem in the A-10C.

kaltokri•7/4/24, 6:33 PM

I found this: 🧰support
But please help to find a solution to it. A-10C is not flyable this way.

AlexS•7/4/24, 6:43 PM

Hey @walmis

getting this screen with a Warthog grip, but the buttons work. With a Virpil WarBrd I get all FFs and no buttons. Any help|?

kaltokri•7/4/24, 8:32 PM

There seems to be a strange interaction between the axis curve setting in DCS and force feedback.
If I set the curve setting of the axes on the A-10C in DCS to 0, it will no longer pull upwards.
I usually fly with a curvature of 20 - 25, which helps a lot for Air to Air refueling.
I had a very similar effect in the KA50 when trimming. It always seems to occur when the axis is shifted in the neutral position.

nubbinsOP•7/5/24, 12:24 AM

@Hiob i've intentionally set my Y axis belt tension almost as low as it can go (motor closer to pulley) without losing grip. It does help make the grinding less noticeable at the grip, but at the belt it is about the same and belt tension cannot solve the issue completely.

nubbinsOP•7/5/24, 12:24 AM

Unfortunately I did not read, and Amazon said next thursday for the belts, not this thursday

so back into downtime the rhino goes

NNumber481 Generally speaking, the configurator utility is used to set the max capabilities...

Naoki_NT3•7/5/24, 2:44 AM

Thanks a lot for your clear explanation. Now I can setup my own configuration.

Kkaltokri There seems to be a strange interaction between the axis curve setting in DCS an...

SamNFTY•7/5/24, 5:30 AM

I think you want to have all your Rhinos axis curves at zero in DCS. Adjustments should be made in the Rhino software. Any adjustments in DCS will mess with the FFB.

SSamNFTY I think you want to have all your Rhinos axis curves at zero in DCS. Adjustments...

kaltokri•7/5/24, 6:08 AM

Sure. But the FFB Software does not have curves atm. I hope it will be implemented: https://discord.com/channels/965234441511383080/1098318539426889799

Nnubbins Unfortunately I did not read, and Amazon said next thursday for the belts, not t...

Hiob•7/5/24, 6:49 AM

I doubt that different belts or pulleys will solve the problem if I‘m honest.

Kkaltokri Sure. But the FFB Software does not have curves atm. I hope it will be implement...

Hiob•7/5/24, 6:50 AM

sure it does…..?? you can set custom gain and strength curves in the configurator!

HHiob I doubt that different belts or pulleys will solve the problem if I‘m honest.

nubbinsOP•7/5/24, 6:53 AM

maybe i'm just being optimistic here. But if it's not the belts or the pulley sizing on either end then that leaves me with 0 alternative explanations

nubbinsOP•7/5/24, 6:54 AM

unless it's to say that vpforce motors are not capable of running up to even 60% of max spring force. Which I somehow feel isn't the case, judging from what others are running here

nubbinsOP•7/5/24, 6:54 AM

and pulley sizing also doesn't make much sense, unless every single person following protomaker/gadroc just never uses spring force past 50% ever

nubbinsOP•7/5/24, 6:55 AM

optimism is pretty much all I have at this point. I can't keep sinking time and money into this thing if there aren't even potential solutions I can pursue

Nnubbins maybe i'm just being optimistic here. But if it's not the belts or the pulley si...

walmis•7/5/24, 7:22 AM

Have you tried spraying some silicone lube where the belt meshes with the pulley?

AAlexS Hey <@398113037053067274> - getting this screen with a Warthog grip, but the but...

walmis•7/5/24, 7:23 AM

Most likely the WarBrd grip plug pin(s) doesn't reach and make contact in the Rhino socket, have you pushed all the way in? Let me know if this persists, I can send you a replacement socket.

Wwalmis Most likely the WarBrd grip plug pin(s) doesn't reach and make contact in the Rh...

AlexS•7/5/24, 7:24 AM

Yes - really extended out of the grip and pushed fully home. Same with a RealSimulator grip

Wwalmis Most likely the WarBrd grip plug pin(s) doesn't reach and make contact in the Rh...

AlexS•7/5/24, 7:24 AM

Its the second WarBrd grip too

walmis•7/5/24, 7:25 AM

so the TM grip works, but others not?

Wwalmis Have you tried spraying some silicone lube where the belt meshes with the pulley...

nubbinsOP•7/5/24, 7:42 AM

i don't have spray, but I have some superlube. Should I try putting a little on? But I thought the belt was not supposed to slip on the pulley, would that not exacerbate it

walmis•7/5/24, 7:44 AM

if it's silicone based then ok. Don't worry, with the correct tension lube wouldn't cause any issues.

Wwalmis if it's silicone based then ok. Don't worry, with the correct tension lube would...

nubbinsOP•7/5/24, 7:50 AM

what I have is just a tube of superlube 92003. It's advertised as silicone lubricating grease. Sounds like it would work?

Kkaltokri Sure. But the FFB Software does not have curves atm. I hope it will be implement...

Hiob•7/5/24, 7:50 AM

You can also move the center point by altering the calibration values. I don't know what exactly you want to achieve, but I'm confident that it can somehow be achieved with the configurator.

Nnubbins what I have is just a tube of superlube 92003. It's advertised as silicone lubri...

Hiob•7/5/24, 7:51 AM

You have new belts and pulley incoming anyway - so I would give it a try if I was you.

Wwalmis if it's silicone based then ok. Don't worry, with the correct tension lube would...

nubbinsOP•7/5/24, 8:03 AM

I put some on the pulley and spread it around a bit. Didn't make any difference.

Nnubbins I put some on the pulley and spread it around a bit. Didn't make any difference.

Hiob•7/5/24, 8:04 AM

Just a thought - how much current draw does the motor show when the grinding occurs?

walmis•7/5/24, 8:05 AM

From the video, it definitely sounds like a belt/pulley meshing

HHiob Just a thought - how much current draw does the motor show when the grinding occ...

nubbinsOP•7/5/24, 8:05 AM

curr_x and curr_y?

Wwalmis From the video, it definitely sounds like a belt/pulley meshing

nubbinsOP•7/5/24, 8:07 AM

that is the idea, but I'm not sure where I would go from there. To a different tooth # motor pulley? I'm just following what @Subsonic (Protomaker) 's guide prescribes. afaik no one else following that guide has dealt with this before. The other gimbal creaking type issues I can find plenty of troubleshooting solutions for, but not this belt issue

Nnubbins that is the idea, but I'm not sure where I would go from there. To a different t...

walmis•7/5/24, 8:08 AM

As a last ditch effort I can supply you an original Rhino pulley

Wwalmis As a last ditch effort I can supply you an original Rhino pulley

nubbinsOP•7/5/24, 8:09 AM

could you just send me a spec page/size spec for it? just to double check

HHiob Just a thought - how much current draw does the motor show when the grinding occ...

nubbinsOP•7/5/24, 8:10 AM

curr_y goes up to about 17A at max deflection, + and - in either direction, no weird behaviour

Nnubbins curr_y goes up to about 17A at max deflection, + and - in either direction, no w...

Hiob•7/5/24, 8:11 AM

then you are certainly not overstressing the Rhino.

HHiob then you are certainly not overstressing the Rhino.

nubbinsOP•7/5/24, 8:12 AM

yes, on walmis' recommendation earlier I tried turning the motor+pulley by itself and everything was smooth

nubbinsOP•7/5/24, 8:13 AM

might be gimbal related as well since I know this one is particularly bad and it's going to be rebuilt with some new parts next week. Might not be out of the question that vibrations are starting inside and traveling out to the belt via 74t pulley

Hiob•7/5/24, 8:13 AM

Sorry, if this is a dumb question, or was answered earlier - are you 100% positive that you have the right belt and pulley specs? regarding tooth profile and so on?

nubbinsOP•7/5/24, 8:13 AM

it is most significant at the belt but that makes sense

HHiob Sorry, if this is a dumb question, or was answered earlier - are you 100% positi...

nubbinsOP•7/5/24, 8:13 AM

yes, I've double checked with the guide, other people who built, and david's own rhino

nubbinsOP•7/5/24, 8:13 AM

74t pulley, motor pulley and belt spec are correct, I now have 4 motor pulleys i've mix n matched at will

Hiob•7/5/24, 8:14 AM

HTD5 on both sides?

nubbinsOP•7/5/24, 8:14 AM

yes

Interesting, didn't know this method. Only knew the centering tool method......which I've been doing

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