easiest way to determine that would be to just measure what you get
easiest way to determine that would be to just measure what you get
AI saw the Flite Sim presentation at the recent expo and I also watched the youtube video you are referring to. Very exciting times for flight simming. I have just started to build an A320 home cockpit. Pedastal is 99% completed. Going to work on the Capt sidestick pedastal next and then the Captains chair. I am taking a break from flying the Cessna's and I am loving the learning curve / process of the Airbus family. I am torn between building a full size home cockpit of the A320 or the A380...
DHaven't you seen Back to the Future?
All kidding aside, a little mistranslation
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All kidding aside, a little mistranslation
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SI mean, it's a possibility... I've very briefly been airborne in a car. It certainly wasn't very controlled, so I wouldn't call it flying though
RI know. Only able to use the data I can find from the aircraft manuals and sme who are answering questions
RI think 1lbs is 4.44 newtons
RI just ordered a digital force gauge.
KSorry Iβm new lol. Has FFB and Falcon BMS been figured out?
WThereβs a number of Rhino MSFS videos on YouTube. You are aware though that Airbus airliners are fly-by-wire so to be realistic you would set up a FFB stick to not move on its own based on air over the control surfaces like you would most aircraft, which is where FFB really comes into its own.
In this case you would set it up so it would give you vibrations, the correct weight to push it and the feel of damping etc, but it wonβt be fighting you based on whatβs happening with the aircraft through the air.
To be honest, if you are only going to be using a FFB stick for the Fenix A320 or any other fly-by-wire aircraft like it you will get a lot less benefit from it compared to other aircraft. A normal spring based stick base with clutch dampers would be sufficient, and you can add a transducer and use a piece of software like Sim Shaker to add the vibrations as I currently do. The only thing FFB will give you with that type of aircraft is more control of the stick movement feel and damping.
In this case you would set it up so it would give you vibrations, the correct weight to push it and the feel of damping etc, but it wonβt be fighting you based on whatβs happening with the aircraft through the air.
To be honest, if you are only going to be using a FFB stick for the Fenix A320 or any other fly-by-wire aircraft like it you will get a lot less benefit from it compared to other aircraft. A normal spring based stick base with clutch dampers would be sufficient, and you can add a transducer and use a piece of software like Sim Shaker to add the vibrations as I currently do. The only thing FFB will give you with that type of aircraft is more control of the stick movement feel and damping.
Ni don't think anything has changed on that front
Si fly msfs 100%, the ffb is great for trimming. you hold the sick back to climb and trim to relieve pressure. also the stick force increases with airflow over the control surfaces. pedals too. this is all in GA craft, i dont do airliners so i dont know how those would feel.
CI've been not paying attention for a bit. Are there any updated recommended settings from Heatblur for Rhino/F4 yet?
AAwesome information. Thank you. I will look out for more videos on youtube. Any videos I have seen to date are people with little experience flying, so they are overwhelmed with the joy of trying something new (just like trying VR for the first time). That wears off quickly and you begin to work out the pro's and con's of the device you are controlling / wearing. What I am truly after is the most realistic feeling of flying the Airbus aircraft. I imagine the magic is in the software. So if the software has not been written yet to mimic the fly by wire feeling, then I'm sure it's only a matter of time before that happens.
AI do join in group flights occasionally so having the FFB base for the Spitfire and Messerschmitt Bf 109 would be amazing. I have not tried flying helicopters yet, I feel very intimidated by the learning curve, but who knows, maybe in the future...
SFFB will def improve your feeling in the warbirds! With helo's, I suggest watching a few of Camso's videos (link below). He explains helo flying in a very easy to understand way. Couple that with the FFB and I think you'll quickly pickup and enjoy helo's
https://youtube.com/@casmotv?si=upJGAbPCFIOizSbd
https://youtube.com/@casmotv?si=upJGAbPCFIOizSbd
SI think you are right that the Airbus magic is in their software, but as I understand it, that doesn't change the feel of their side stick. I don't believe there is any feedback in the stick, except maybe a stick shaker. Aside from that, I this it's just a sprung joystick like you would feel with a stock Winwing, VKB, or Virpil.
SThis Reddit thread is short, but explains how there really isn't much feedback through the stick.
https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/s/VfcV6N9PTM
https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/s/VfcV6N9PTM
FI guess you meant CaSMoTV - at CaMSo I only get offered tires for aircraft baggage carts... 
SGood point. Link added
AWith airliners it is all over the place. In a 737, not trimming might result in forces that are not controllable due to mechanical linkage. If your engines are under the wing, you theoretically also need to trim out thrust moment changes. In pure hydraulic planes it depends on design. In the 777, you trim for speed but not for thrust. In the MD11, it will automatically trim away small forces but not large ones. And Airbus FBW involves no trimming while flying at all. Any planes that are pure hydraulic will not feed back aerodynamic forces, but usually implement some kind of spring rate that depends on indicated airspeed (even with unreliable airspeed).
FSo a FFB stick for the airbus would make sense in that way that the simulated "spring strength" could be increased and decreased according to the indicated airspeed?
ANo the airbus is fixed spring
AThank you to all that have replied to my questions. Everyday I'm learning more. 
ABut the airbus FBW stick has a very hydraulic feel, which you can not replicate with just a spring. I fly a320 fleet IRL, but have a VKB sidestick with a stiffer spring, it is close enough for my budget. But it is not perfect.
FDo you know how the stick in the real airbus provides this hydraulic feel? Are there some kind of oil dampers attached?
ANo, I never looked, but I am certain there are people on this forum who have all the technical documentation. There are people here that know pretty much everything about controls 
SI'll bet some kinda hydraulic damper like on the MFG crosswind would add that feel
DHaving said that, I think it also depends on the needs expressed by @AV8. Does he just want the feel of the stick (close to the real Airbus stick) or is he looking for greater immersion? (And the choice is getting bigger: VR, motion system, etc.).
As some have said, an FFB just for the feel of the stick might be a bit much when cheaper alternatives exist.
Whatever the case, he should find what he's looking for, whether in FFB or other systems
As some have said, an FFB just for the feel of the stick might be a bit much when cheaper alternatives exist.
Whatever the case, he should find what he's looking for, whether in FFB or other systems
Aapparently the sidestick is a pretty complicated thing just so that you can get a good feel for the non-ffb stick
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AI just read somewhere that when you activate the autopilot solenoids would immobilize the stick (up to a point), that's something only FFB can do in a home simulator
FFedEx messed up and had my base for 5 extra days but glad it is finally here
Ahold the stick before starting the mission
HYeah, the good old hit in the nutsβ¦..
TRiiiiinnng the bells!! 
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SWhat u cant see: that plane is currently at 38k and bro just put it into a right left snaproll followed by a zoomclimb and then a weightless dive :Jeremiahmeme:
BGuess he's driving the vomit comet.
Fcan't tell if this is a real Airbus or a well made sim pit...
I guess the slacks and the gold watch tell me it is a real pilot.
I guess the slacks and the gold watch tell me it is a real pilot.
SReplacement ww adapter is maybe arriving tomorrow :poggerschelm3m:
SAfter a week without rhino i hopefully can go back
δΈyeah Iooks like you are right
SSkydrol :Jeremiahmeme:
HI fear no manβ¦. But Skydrol? It scares meβ¦.
BI'm having this issue right now as well. I've tried everything, binding/unbinding, assigning/in assigning, still no solution. Quite frustrating. If you wouldn't mind offering a hand with this I'd really appreciate it! Please send me a Discord PM. Thanks!
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The Airbus sidestick is not a simple joystick. Each axis is connected to a transducer which relays electrical signals to the ailerons and elevators. In addition there is a solenoid which is activated when Autopilot is engaged preventing the sidestick from moving. However, apply enough force and the AP and solenoid will disengaged.
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Soh no! its laying on its side!! its gonna leak the Skydrolllll!!!!!!
WJust found this answer to a question about Airbus stick resistance:
βThe figures copied from an Airbus publication and converted to pounds are:
Breakout force: 1.1 pounds
Pitch: Fore and aft. +/- 16 degrees 22.5 pounds
Roll: Outboard 20 degrees 5.6 pounds.
Roll: Inboard 20 degrees 7.8 pounds.
Note that the force is different for inboard and outboard roll. Airbus found during development that your arm is stronger moving inboard than outboard and fine tuned the forces to make left and right roll feel the same. Try moving the stick left and right holding it from above next time you are at work, you can clearly feel the force difference.β
Would it be possible to replicate this reasonably well? Is it even possible in the software to have a different amount of force between left and right?
βThe figures copied from an Airbus publication and converted to pounds are:
Breakout force: 1.1 pounds
Pitch: Fore and aft. +/- 16 degrees 22.5 pounds
Roll: Outboard 20 degrees 5.6 pounds.
Roll: Inboard 20 degrees 7.8 pounds.
Note that the force is different for inboard and outboard roll. Airbus found during development that your arm is stronger moving inboard than outboard and fine tuned the forces to make left and right roll feel the same. Try moving the stick left and right holding it from above next time you are at work, you can clearly feel the force difference.β
Would it be possible to replicate this reasonably well? Is it even possible in the software to have a different amount of force between left and right?
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=Camo say's Kayowa has perfect FM 
Seasy to make left/right different
