VPforce Controls•2y ago

hi, about propeller aircraft, how to render the fact that the faster the plane goes, the "harder"

hi,
about propeller aircraft, how to render the fact that the faster the plane goes, the "harder" the stick ? in DCS

SScoll hi, about propeller aircraft, how to render the fact that the faster the plan...

Arno•7/13/24, 1:27 PM

In any aircraft with mechanical controls

ScollOP•7/13/24, 1:27 PM

yes

ScollOP•7/13/24, 1:33 PM

is it a way to link IAS/TAS to Dynamic Spring ?

MMajicks Hey guys ✌🏼 Does the Rhino work with Warthunder? It should work as a standard j...

PokePoke•7/13/24, 2:02 PM

It will work as long as warthunder supports telemetry output.

PokePoke•7/13/24, 2:03 PM

I think Warthunder Does

PokePoke•7/13/24, 2:03 PM

just ask wall miss to add support warthunder

PokePoke•7/13/24, 2:06 PM

I am not sure but It will work if you set telemetry output port to teleffb with il2 setting ? if teleffb detects exe file it will not work but just try.

LastRonin•7/13/24, 2:38 PM

This goes into the issue with the other bases coming out, looks like the simnautica pedal will not have a lot of effects. I suppose with pedals it isn't as much of an issue, but if you look at the work in TelemFFB even for something as niche as pedals there is substantially more telemetry read.

LastRonin•7/13/24, 2:45 PM

I’m pretty sure TelemFFB incorporated stall effect on some planes in DCS at least on the pedals as it reads data.

This I’m not even sure it’s able to do that. Would be a big gap even if you’re not trying to go full realism.

Hiob•7/13/24, 6:53 PM

In TelemFFB all the effects (stall shudder, engine rumble, gun and so one are simply output on the pedals, the same way they would be put out on the stick. Which works great imho.

ScollOP•7/14/24, 2:35 PM

Hi,
same question with other words ...
On DCS, what parameters or settings should be applied with a plane with mechanical controls (Fw190-D9, Fw190-A8, Bf109-K4, Spitfire MK-IX, P-51D) so that the joystick is completely free with the engine stopped and then the resistance (spring) increases according to the engine power and obviously the speed?
(.lua, TelemFFB, ...?)

AndyHill•7/14/24, 2:58 PM

don't most DCS prop planes do that by default?

AAndyHill don't most DCS prop planes do that by default?

ScollOP•7/14/24, 3:14 PM

... sorry don't understand your answer...

SScoll ... sorry don't understand your answer...

Hiob•7/14/24, 3:16 PM

He meant, that with most prop aircraft you don’t need to tune anything to do that. They domthat by default. (Maybe you can tune the strength and onset with telemFFB, but generally that is a build in feature)

HHiob He meant, that with most prop aircraft you don’t need to tune anything to do tha...

ScollOP•7/14/24, 3:19 PM

well, without TelemFFB, the only way the stick strength up is when AOA goes up, but not depending on speed

ScollOP•7/14/24, 3:20 PM

with TelemFFB same thing as i only see AOA as monitor effect

HHiob He meant, that with most prop aircraft you don’t need to tune anything to do tha...

ScollOP•7/14/24, 3:26 PM

if someone experiment this behavior correctly can you please share your settings ?

142nd_Bama•7/14/24, 4:38 PM

Has anyone mounted their rhino in a Sim fab pit? I’m about to order a DIY kit and was curious about the mounting solution as this is much larger than my VPC CM3 with a 200mm extension.

1142nd_Bama Has anyone mounted their rhino in a Sim fab pit? I’m about to order a DIY kit an...

Old Prospector•7/14/24, 4:45 PM

I also have a VPC on 200, interested

SScoll if someone experiment this behavior correctly can you please share your settings...

amadeus•7/14/24, 5:34 PM

I didn’t change or tune any settings, and for the spitfire, p51, and p47, the stick is dead when parked, and as I accelerate on take off, it stiffens up. Not sure if this is what you’re referring to or not

Broko•7/14/24, 5:49 PM

airspeed should have a huge impact on control forces. at slow speed, controls generally feel mushy and unresponsive with hardly any centering force while high speed can make the stick almost impossible to move with human strengh.

afaik, dcs does some axis scaling to simulate the maximum force a human could produce, but i dont like the way this interferes with FFB. (source here is the DCS forum, i dont know for sure how they implemented this)
if somebody knows more about this and if there is a workaround, id like to know

SScoll if someone experiment this behavior correctly can you please share your settings...

Number481•7/14/24, 5:57 PM

Forget about TelemFFB here. It has nothing to do with dynamic spring forces in DCS. That is completely handled by the native FFB implementation in each DCS module, which is something we have zero control over.

The spring effect gain values in VPforce Configurator will dictate the actual felt forces at any sim commanded "force coefficient", but we can't control how the sim tells the joystick to apply the forces.

ScollOP•7/14/24, 9:13 PM

Ok, thank you for your reply (Hiob, amadeus, Broko and Number481) my settings was too low, i set almost 100% on Spring, Master, etc, and effectively i have this kind of behavior.

PokePoke•7/15/24, 12:14 AM

Are there anybody who tried moza ab9 in Fsexpo?

PokePoke•7/15/24, 12:15 AM

I preordered it but I am not sure whether it is good or not

Jabbers•7/15/24, 12:42 AM

Reviews should start coming out soon, they are stating a software update is coming on the 15th (tomorrow) and asked to not review till after that.

PPokePoke I preordered it but I am not sure whether it is good or not

142nd_Bama•7/15/24, 12:49 AM

i decided not to order it because it doesnt have a "force trim interrupt" i fly mainly helos so its useless to me so i decided to go with a rhino diy!

Jabbers•7/15/24, 1:28 AM

I reported that to them, i think the software update they are puting out is suppose to fix that, we will see

1142nd_Bama i decided not to order it because it doesnt have a "force trim interrupt" i fly ...

PokePoke•7/15/24, 2:10 AM

I think they will support it by software update

JJabbers Reviews should start coming out soon, they are stating a software update is comi...

PokePoke•7/15/24, 2:10 AM

Thanks for the hint

PPokePoke I think they will support it by software update 🙂

142nd_Bama•7/15/24, 2:11 AM

when i emailed them they said they sent it to the dev team

1142nd_Bama when i emailed them they said they sent it to the dev team

PokePoke•7/15/24, 2:13 AM

Thanks for the info, they will update probably

VPforceBot•7/15/24, 11:26 AM

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RHINO #0626 Has Shipped!

VPforceBot•7/15/24, 12:56 PM

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RHINO #0628 Has Shipped!

VPforceBot•7/15/24, 1:17 PM

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RHINO #0629 Has Shipped!

Aamadeus I didn’t change or tune any settings, and for the spitfire, p51, and p47, the st...

Booker•7/15/24, 5:38 PM

Don’t forget that elevator droop is modeled which is super cool. What this means is that on the ground if you put the stick in the center, it will move forward to the stop all by itself. This is because without air moving over them, the weight of gravity on the elevators will make them droop which pulls the stick forward. This is modeled on the P-51 for sure, not sure about the other warbirds.

amadeus•7/15/24, 5:52 PM

yeah, they probably add some sort of effect, and if not TelemFFB can definitely add it. Was more just speaking rhetorically about the general nature of the spring force being applied gradually based on air speed

Magpie•7/16/24, 3:36 AM

Coolest thing I found was in the Anton and one of my elevators got shot off, my pull force was halved. I wouldn’t have known it was gone without ffb

MMagpie Coolest thing I found was in the Anton and one of my elevators got shot off, my ...

ddrake1984•7/16/24, 9:43 AM

@Jabbers

VPforceBot•7/16/24, 11:03 AM

:package:

RHINO #0630 Has Shipped!

amadeus•7/16/24, 4:13 PM

Now we gotta wait till October for the FLNKR / Rhino combo

Old Prospector•7/16/24, 4:31 PM

Ordered mine too hehe

amadeus•7/16/24, 4:37 PM

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Pyepye•7/16/24, 6:11 PM

What's FLNK?

amadeus•7/16/24, 6:13 PM

lol forgot an R

amadeus•7/16/24, 6:13 PM

the new virpil grip that just went on preorder

amadeus•7/16/24, 6:13 PM

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Dracks•7/16/24, 6:20 PM

I'd be tempted, but as I own the Alpha, I'm hesitant about the added value (except that I find it more beautiful than the Alpha)

amadeus•7/16/24, 6:21 PM

my normie alpha has started creaking with all the rhino forces heh

amadeus•7/16/24, 6:22 PM

i just ordered an alpha prime to hopefully rectify this, and have this flanker grip on pre-order as i much prefer the aesthetics, and also appreciate no twist

hi, about propeller aircraft, how to render the fact that the faster the plane goes, the "harder"

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