Yo. I have had the stick for quite some time now, but there are still some concepts i struggle to un

Yo. I have had the stick for quite some time now, but there are still some concepts i struggle to understand. Like all the enabled effects. Will dcs override (disable) effects that are not applicable for a certain module? Furtheremore. How does the gain play into all off this. I assume this controls the overall force applied to all effects? And from observing discussions here it seems that bigger motor / power is better? In my experience, full gain in combination with full centering spring is pretty much unusable (locks up the stick). I guess I am woundering how people really use the stick? Do they change (template) config when swapping modules etc?

amadeus•7/13/24, 5:25 PM

The effects you see in the configurator are only defaults if the game doesn’t apply any effects — in other words, they will be overwritten by the game and/or telemffb. UNLESS you have Sticky checked on the effect, then it will ignore the game/telem’s effect.

As for getting settings right — this is mostly a personal thing. You should tune it how you want. I personally run with all the effects at 100% in the configurator (think of this as like a max limiter for the effect, it’s up to the game or telemffb for how strong it is) except for periodic effects at 50% and friction at like 7% (because friction can have weird vibration effects if overdone). Then I use TelemFFB to tune effects for individual aircraft, and the gain knob to turn down the spring effect if I find it too strong for a particular plane

amadeus•7/13/24, 5:29 PM

(Sorry for spelling/grammar, on phone atm)

SamNFTY•7/13/24, 6:21 PM

I'm struggling with getting the Rhino to work in XP12. It seems very inconsistent on when it actually works. I may have to restart TelemFFB for it to properly recognize.

SamNFTY•7/13/24, 6:24 PM

When it does work, I don't have full pitch authority and none of the force feedback seems to be coming through

SamNFTY•7/13/24, 6:41 PM

Also, sometime when I load in a plane the stick doesn't correlate with the Rhino. I can see the movement in Bindings, but not in the aircraft.

Iinv Yo. I have had the stick for quite some time now, but there are still some conce...

Hiob•7/13/24, 6:50 PM

Think of the different gains as factors. Master gain x settings gain x effect gain. Where effect gain. an be overridden by the application. So basically with master and settings gain you determine the maximum strength of any given effect. (If one of those e.g. is set to 80%, the overall force can‘t be over 80%.) From my experience the threefold of friction, inertia and damping only works well with lower settings (<20).

invOP•7/13/24, 6:52 PM

Thanks for the reponse! Much appreciated!

HHiob Think of the different gains as factors. Master gain x settings gain x effect ga...

rockerverb08•7/13/24, 7:18 PM

Would this be for sims that don't have FFB built in like DCS? I'm a DCS-only user, so would I set all the gain levels to max and let DCS decide how much to send through the stick? I sorta wish we had a suggested settings page for the sims, but I understand that could get quite busy

AndyHill•7/13/24, 7:20 PM

the challenge with that is that the suggested settings would depend on your grip/extension combination as well as personal preference

AAndyHill the challenge with that is that the suggested settings would depend on your grip...

rockerverb08•7/13/24, 7:21 PM

totally get that

Rrockerverb08 Would this be for sims that don't have FFB built in like DCS? I'm a DCS-only us...

amadeus•7/13/24, 7:39 PM

With DCS, my personal recommendation would be similar to what I outlined above — have most of the settings be uncapped, a bit like the attached screenshot.

Then use a combination of your hardware gain knob and the TelemFFB app to customize for an aircraft until it feels right. If it’s too strong, turn things down, if you don’t like certain effects, turn them off. The nice thing with TelemFFB is that your customizations are aircraft specific, so once set, it will just detect the aircraft and bring up your saved settings.

As was said earlier, settings can be highly contingent in what sort of extension you have, the weight of your grip, and also personal preference, do you like a stiff or looser spring force, etc

Rrockerverb08 Would this be for sims that don't have FFB built in like DCS? I'm a DCS-only us...

Hiob•7/13/24, 7:44 PM

I think, DCS (natively) doesn’t apply things like friction and inertia. Only spring and very limited periodic effects. If TelemFFB deals with friction and inertia? I doubt it. I believe those are more to make the stick feel to your taste. But I could be mistaken.

amadeus•7/13/24, 10:04 PM

yeah -- i also am not sure if it applies stuff like that. to add though -- TelemFFB now allows you to add those specific settings on an aircraft per aircraft basis, so almost never a need to use the configurator to add effects unless you are playing a game that doesn't have any FFB or TelemFFB support

invOP•7/13/24, 10:10 PM

I just tested the apache with max gain, hoping that the module takes over and disables the spring force (enabled but not sticky). I am assuming that the apache works like other helicopters and that it has minimal «spring force.» Does not seem to be the case in DCS. With max gain, I can barely move the apache stick. Is this simply something DCS does not support? Can this be «fixed» in telemffb?

PokePoke•7/13/24, 10:46 PM

games keep freezing when pedals connected. it is normally work in teleffb

PokePoke•7/13/24, 10:59 PM

it works joystick device test brakes are working as a TPR, Yaw Axis is working as a rhino pedals 2054.

PokePoke•7/13/24, 11:00 PM

but when it is connected, game freezes. I unbinded all previous binding, but still mouse is not responding.

PokePoke•7/13/24, 11:04 PM

same result even though I turned off teleffb. so it is hardware issue

PokePoke•7/13/24, 11:45 PM

PokePoke•7/13/24, 11:45 PM

I connected motor data bottom like this picture

PokePoke•7/13/24, 11:45 PM

PokePoke•7/13/24, 11:45 PM

not like this, does it matters?

Bbobbyt Great stuff! Just watched your new vid this morning and was very helpful 💪

Limitless VR & Simrigs•7/14/24, 1:48 AM

Oh awesome mate, glad you have seen that video and it was helpful, my intention is to really share how amazing the Rhino and its software is. The software is honestly what really makes this unit shine. As you would have seen, I was able to dial up the feedback past what is actually realistic, I want to feel road vibration, I want to feel the stick forces on landing. You have so many options to play with so you can tune the feeling of the stick to exactly how you want it to feel, realistic or beyond realistic as in my case hahaha. I had the stick pull out of my hand on one of my bush landings with the landing feedback cranked to 100%, sure, that's not realistic for a real pilot used to flying bush planes but for an average bloke like me, I am having a heck of a time in my rig. That's the beauty of the software, tune it how you want.

Limitless VR & Simrigs•7/14/24, 1:49 AM

vonbioms

Iinv I just tested the apache with max gain, hoping that the module takes over and di...

amadeus•7/14/24, 2:14 AM

not sure the realism factor as i've never flown an actual apache, however, i assume it's supposed to be stiff-ish unless you're holding the force trim button?

amadeus•7/14/24, 2:15 AM

but yeah, you can turn down the gain with the dial if needed

Bbobbyt Great stuff! Just watched your new vid this morning and was very helpful 💪

142nd_Bama•7/14/24, 2:34 AM

Can you post a link?

1142nd_Bama Can you post a link?

Jehly•7/14/24, 2:39 AM

Well look who dropped in…

JJehly Well look who dropped in… 🤣

142nd_Bama•7/14/24, 2:40 AM

I’m about to do a diy kit I believe, meant to message you in the 142nd earlier

Jehly•7/14/24, 2:41 AM

Highly recommend it. Support here is second to none.

142nd_Bama•7/14/24, 2:43 AM

That’s what pretty much sealed it for me, this is a really involved company/community

1142nd_Bama Can you post a link?

bobbyt•7/14/24, 3:33 AM

📃general

Bbobbyt https://discord.com/channels/965234441511383080/965234441511383083/1260726560034...

142nd_Bama•7/14/24, 3:35 AM

Thanks

Caprice•7/14/24, 8:29 AM

hey, what settings can I adjust to prevent my axis from going limp? and what values should these be? mainly seems to be from telem FFB in conjuction with higher spring gains.

CCaprice hey, what settings can I adjust to prevent my axis from going limp? and what val...

walmis•7/14/24, 8:34 AM

Can you show us your current configurator settings?

Wwalmis Can you show us your current configurator settings?

Caprice•7/14/24, 8:47 AM

CCaprice Click to see attachment

walmis•7/14/24, 9:01 AM

Try reducing the damper force LPF values until you get more stability

1142nd_Bama I’m about to do a diy kit I believe, meant to message you in the 142nd earlier

Touch_Of_Legend•7/14/24, 10:50 AM

If you need ANY help at all we’re all here for ya.

It’s the most amazing thing you’ll ever see…

A Rhino.. Flying!

Touch_Of_Legend•7/14/24, 10:51 AM

But no seriously if you search back to my post in the DIY section I took A LOT of pics from alternate angles and post A LOT of tips from the build including some wire photos and some photos that show the “proper orientation” or the gimbal slot and the motors.

Touch_Of_Legend•7/14/24, 10:56 AM

Example tip (see the photo).

This is how you wire the Emergency Stop switch.

Power (+) comes from the plug and goes to the C side of the Stop Switch.

Power (+) goes from the NC side of the Stop Switch to the main board.

Ground (-) goes directly from the plug to the main board.

Some small tips wiring like this (that aren’t in the manual) can be best explained in photos or be reading through other people’s builds and collecting a few choice reference photos.

Touch_Of_Legend•7/14/24, 11:04 AM

So my advice is to start collecting a few pics from working units

And to read through some folks builds and see if they had a problem.. How was it resolved?

I myself got stuck trying to be “too precise” at the centering part of the calibration set up..

Not realizing this ain’t no regular stick.

Not only can you can that later you can change it so it has more roll than pitch (like most normal airframes are in real life)

You can set it so you just sort of tune the spring and centering and the basic effects on the fly..

So yeah finding about the issues and fixes others had will also help with your own build.

Otherwise like I said never hesitate to post if you’ve got a problem or an issue.

It’s like you said I checked out all the FFB before I jumped in and I watched this community for months, and I’m part of the other communities as well and I saw for myself which software and which community was best for me.

No dig on the others because I’m all for more options and better cost but for me… I fly a Rhino.

Bob Bushman•7/14/24, 11:06 AM

Makes a huge difference to have a builder and community that shares your priorities over say Brünner that spent like 6 years before they even added official support for dcs.

Reed•7/14/24, 4:08 PM

Got a werid request. Currently no matter what I do as far as settings the stick is very bouncy. For example, lets say i am flying a helo and trip the stick to forward right position, I then hit trim reset and the new center is different. If i let the stick go it goes to center and then bounces around until it settles on the center and stabilizes. Another example, is you are trimming and set your new center, then let go of grip. The stick still has some bounciness or springiness until it settles. what do i set to take out the bounciness so it acts like a real cyclic using hydraulics, etc. I understand some of the limitations due to being belt driven, but there has got to be a way. My current settings are spring 80, damper 40, inertia 2.5, friction 8, adaptive centering enabled, static force, and balance spring.

Reed•7/14/24, 4:09 PM

Another thought is the adaptive centering is only 12% of max spring setting, can you give the user the option to increase this, especially for those flying helos when trimming is a constant thing so the centering hasa stronger force and is quicker to retain the new center. I'd be happy to beta test. @Number481

RReed Another thought is the adaptive centering is only 12% of max spring setting, can...

walmis•7/14/24, 4:48 PM

Can you screenshot your settings/effects tabs?

Reed•7/14/24, 4:58 PM

Ive got a recent set posted on the discord just gotta find it.

Reed•7/14/24, 5:00 PM

https://tenor.com/view/boring-fun-door-stopper-gif-15958962981047409247

Tenor

Reed•7/14/24, 5:00 PM

Easiest way to describe is using the kiowa hot or cold start and have the scas and trim on. from starting position. take cyclic and move all the way to right or left and just let go. It snaps nack to center and bounces around until its stabilized. Easiset way to compare is the spring door stoppers youd flick as a kid.

Reed•7/14/24, 5:01 PM

I dont see it as an error or friction is to high, as I have had the issue int he past and we adjust my hz and it went away.

Reed•7/14/24, 5:04 PM

Current settings except i added static force back and changed limiter to 8x10 from 11.

Yo. I have had the stick for quite some time now, but there are still some concepts i struggle to un

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