Oh totally agree with showing it off with the F4 or Helos, the effects with them are just stunning.

Oh totally agree with showing it off with the F4 or Helos, the effects with them are just stunning. Absolutely adore having real force trim now when flying my Helo.

Any chance you could share your F16 config? I’ll use that as a baseline and see how i5 goes.

CCowboy10uk Oh totally agree with showing it off with the F4 or Helos, the effects with them...

Hiob•7/24/24, 11:50 AM

When I eventually turn on my gaming pc again - sure. However - the only difference to my basic config (the one I use with the steampunk jets) is that I increased the master spring gain and artificially decreased the calibration values to have the saturation of the stick axis increased. (Target was to have less throw and a "snappier" reaction for the viper). With the basic setup the Viper feels too sluggish.

Hiob•7/24/24, 11:52 AM

Admittedly though - I haven't been flying the Viper much since I got the Rhino. I love the Viper, but my heart really beats for choppers and Iron Pigs like The F4 - especially since I own the Rhino.

HHiob The hardest part is probably to balance out "balance spring", "friction" and or ...

142nd_Bama•7/24/24, 11:55 AM

I’m sure I’ll have a really hard time then because I’ll be using a vpc 200mm extention with a warthog grip, about as heavy as it gets…

SStryker990 Are the MFG Crosswind FFB kits already shipping or are they still in dev?

Daz_bike•7/24/24, 12:06 PM

Only @walmis can answer that

HHiob When I eventually turn on my gaming pc again - sure. However - the only differen...

Bob Bushman•7/24/24, 12:30 PM

Why would you mess with the calibration values!?

This is what virtual endstops and axis scaling is for.

1142nd_Bama I’m sure I’ll have a really hard time then because I’ll be using a vpc 200mm ext...

Hiob•7/24/24, 12:50 PM

Same - no problem. The Rhino can handle it - the values needed may just be bigger than with a more short and lightweight grip.

RoboGeoff•7/24/24, 12:52 PM

I found the Rhino is great for the F-14 in finding that best speed for a turning fight. The feedback tells you where you need to keep the stick. The only problem, is that it seems to heat the motors up a lot. It's the only thing I've done which turns on the cooling fan every time

BBob Bushman Why would you mess with the calibration values!? This is what virtual endstops ...

Hiob•7/24/24, 12:53 PM

Virtual endstops don't feel good to me and calibration values are just that - values. No problem in changing them if you understand how it works.

NNumber481 Thanks for this! I have it fixed already locally along with some other updates/...

Spanner•7/24/24, 4:42 PM

Ah nice, looking forward to the new version then!

Lt_Dan•7/24/24, 7:06 PM

Quick tip hold the stick when you fire up the Merlin on the ground your

will thank you

Alighierian•7/24/24, 7:08 PM

Unless you really like playing whack fuck, that is.

AndyHill•7/24/24, 7:10 PM

who wouldn't

The Greatest of all Fords•7/24/24, 7:12 PM

The adrenaline boost would kick in and help you fly better when you know your

is on the line

The Greatest of all Fords•7/24/24, 7:14 PM

guess I'm not green anymore lol

PokePoke•7/24/24, 8:33 PM

https://youtu.be/H1VQch0ZkrE?si=_AN-saeDb2FuHwzD

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Link to short 4min clip that just highlights the fun and excitement that the H3 delivers right into your home at an affordable price, link is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMWgC8JPyuo

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PokePoke•7/24/24, 8:33 PM

PokePoke•7/24/24, 8:34 PM

is that Smitty?

Scarlet•7/24/24, 9:38 PM

Everyone is always on about motion platforms. How come I don't see anything about G Seats apart from that one guy 5 years ago?

Scarlet•7/24/24, 9:38 PM

https://youtu.be/5muP32AlcIE?si=fhNbNBv5NkiwEXof

YouTubeBergison

The Motion Integrated G-Seat - part 1: Introduction

This is the introduction of the Motion Integrated G-Seat, my new invention in motion simulation! This device is a combination of a motion platform and a G-Seat, able to provide an unprecedented sensation of motion and acceleration while driving or flying simulated vehicles. For more information visit: https://bergisons.simpit.info/motion-integra...

CCowboy10uk Just wondering is anyone using the Rhino with DCS F16. While I appreciate it w...

nubbins•7/24/24, 10:01 PM

obviously probably not 100% realistic, but I like rhino with the DCS viper

nubbins•7/24/24, 10:01 PM

it's the only setup with which I don't feel ED's stupid laggy breakout force curve anymore

nubbins•7/24/24, 10:01 PM

flies real smooth and the ffb effects are nice in moderation

nubbins•7/24/24, 10:02 PM

But if you have a FSSB stick already, maybe you will have a different experience

TrigaNZ•7/24/24, 10:05 PM

Hi. What is the general consensus of adding an extension? I'm looking at adding about 120mm to my Rhino with my WW F-16EX grip. I'm mostly a DCS flyer, FW and RW, some MSFS.

Bob Bushman•7/24/24, 10:15 PM

It's not a big issue, but you get more force without it.
So if possible I'd like not to.

I use a z extension myself, from virpil mostly to get the grip closer to me, but it also builds 111mm.

Ideally I would just built the unit up, and moved it closer, but it would conflict with my seat and/or myself.

Bob Bushman•7/24/24, 10:17 PM

Anything much more than 12cm would cost a lot of force, and the gimbal itself is constructed in such a way as it comes with 10cm extension already, so using 10(ish)cm extension you in effect have 20cm.

SScarlet Everyone is always on about motion platforms. How come I don't see anything abou...

amadeus•7/24/24, 11:40 PM

i've always been very curious to try a gseat, but yeah, also curious if anyone here as ever built one

Reed•7/24/24, 11:41 PM

I’d love to try it.

amadeus•7/24/24, 11:42 PM

what i'm also curious about is how much they depend on VR to create the experience, or if they would work ok with a monitor

Aamadeus what i'm also curious about is how much they depend on VR to create the experien...

Scarlet•7/24/24, 11:45 PM

A few years ago the most I saw was for racing sims. I'd think they'd work good VR or flat

j9murphy•7/24/24, 11:54 PM

I built bergison's g seat and am now making some updates to it.

Jj9murphy I built bergison's g seat and am now making some updates to it.

Scarlet•7/25/24, 2:20 AM

Nice, let us know how it goes

SScarlet https://youtu.be/5muP32AlcIE?si=fhNbNBv5NkiwEXof

ddrake1984•7/25/24, 9:55 AM

Cost, but also people use belt tensioners cause its cheaper and add a haptic pad or transducer

VPforceBot•7/25/24, 9:55 AM

:package:

RHINO #0647 Has Shipped!

VPforceBot•7/25/24, 9:55 AM

:package:

RHINO #0646 Has Shipped!

SScarlet Nice, let us know how it goes

j9murphy•7/25/24, 11:44 AM

regarding the G seat, i've never used a different platform so I cant do a direct comparison, but I do like the seat, there are pros and cons with it - but overall I had blast building it and learned a lot along the way. Essentially the Bergison's G seat replicates heave, sway, and surge. You can mix in a little roll, pitch, and yaw - but in most cases it's not really necessary. The seat flaps and belt do give the sensation of the g forces although its probably more effective replicating strong positive g's than strong negative g's. This really isnt a problem if you fly the aircraft properly and invert rather than placing strong negative g's on the aircraft which i'm told pilots and airframes like to avoid anyway. What i didnt like about the first version of hte chair was that there was some slack in the rods and motors when direction was reversed and the movement seemed a little jerky for my tastes. The modifications being done now (different rod connection type, and servos instead of dc motors) should address these issues. If indeed that's the case when I'm done, I'll love the seat for high-g flight.

j9murphy•7/25/24, 11:46 AM

BTW the seat is also a ton of fun when making an approach with a small plane in turbulence and heavy crosswinds (MSFS/Xplane)

j9murphy•7/25/24, 11:52 AM

I also mounted a home grown buttkicker to the seat, but honestly i get better feedback through the MFG FFB pedal mod I just did from hiob. its really fantastic. I'll probably be able to make the butt kicker a little more subtle because of that after the seat rebuild which may improve its overall performance. Still waiting on my rhino (I'm in the low 100's now, whoo hoo!) I suspect that will also add quite a bit of immersion.

Arno•7/25/24, 11:54 AM

@j9murphy Do you know of any popular/working air bladder g-seat mods for a bucket seat?

j9murphy•7/25/24, 11:56 AM

I do not unfortunately. I looked briefly before I decided to build this but couldnt find anything I liked. All of the motion guru's hang out here though, you could probably ask that in one of the community forums. https://www.xsimulator.net/

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smitty•7/25/24, 1:36 PM

That’s me!

VPforceBot•7/26/24, 8:25 AM

:package:

RHINO #0648 Has Shipped!

slowmover•7/26/24, 12:08 PM

Hello mates. Has anyone a good profile for F4E dcs world for a cyclic with 30-40cm extension?

Sslowmover Hello mates. Has anyone a good profile for F4E dcs world for a cyclic with 30-40...

142nd_Bama•7/26/24, 12:14 PM

I’m brand new to the rhino but I tried one of the profiles from knowledge thread last night and it completely screwed up my stuff, use caution! I could’ve done something wrong but it changed my stick calibration everything…..

1142nd_Bama I’m brand new to the rhino but I tried one of the profiles from knowledge thread...

PiNKSH!T•7/26/24, 1:09 PM

the profile will have the calibration info for that base with it

PiNKSH!T•7/26/24, 1:09 PM

so yeah it'll mess with your own calibration

Sslowmover Hello mates. Has anyone a good profile for F4E dcs world for a cyclic with 30-40...

LeLv30_Superbus•7/26/24, 1:10 PM

try this if the sled's pitch sensitivity is too weird

ffb_config-HB_F-4E.vpconf6.54KB

LeLv30_Superbus•7/26/24, 1:11 PM

and keep trimming

PPiNKSH!T the profile will have the calibration info for that base with it

142nd_Bama•7/26/24, 1:13 PM

So sharing vpconf files are a bad idea?

1142nd_Bama So sharing vpconf files are a bad idea?

PiNKSH!T•7/26/24, 1:16 PM

I don't have rhino in & config app open atm but can you copy paste your own calibration numbers somewhere then load the new profile & copy paste you calibration back in? not exactly smooth operation but better than recalibrating if you don't want to.

Oh totally agree with showing it off with the F4 or Helos, the effects with them are just stunning.

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