what i'm also curious about is how much they depend on VR to create the experience, or if they would
what i'm also curious about is how much they depend on VR to create the experience, or if they would work ok with a monitor
SA few years ago the most I saw was for racing sims. I'd think they'd work good VR or flat
JI built bergison's g seat and am now making some updates to it.
SNice, let us know how it goes
DCost, but also people use belt tensioners cause its cheaper and add a haptic pad or transducer
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RHINO #0646 Has Shipped!Jregarding the G seat, i've never used a different platform so I cant do a direct comparison, but I do like the seat, there are pros and cons with it - but overall I had blast building it and learned a lot along the way. Essentially the Bergison's G seat replicates heave, sway, and surge. You can mix in a little roll, pitch, and yaw - but in most cases it's not really necessary. The seat flaps and belt do give the sensation of the g forces although its probably more effective replicating strong positive g's than strong negative g's. This really isnt a problem if you fly the aircraft properly and invert rather than placing strong negative g's on the aircraft which i'm told pilots and airframes like to avoid anyway. What i didnt like about the first version of hte chair was that there was some slack in the rods and motors when direction was reversed and the movement seemed a little jerky for my tastes. The modifications being done now (different rod connection type, and servos instead of dc motors) should address these issues. If indeed that's the case when I'm done, I'll love the seat for high-g flight.
JBTW the seat is also a ton of fun when making an approach with a small plane in turbulence and heavy crosswinds (MSFS/Xplane)
JI also mounted a home grown buttkicker to the seat, but honestly i get better feedback through the MFG FFB pedal mod I just did from hiob. its really fantastic. I'll probably be able to make the butt kicker a little more subtle because of that after the seat rebuild which may improve its overall performance. Still waiting on my rhino (I'm in the low 100's now, whoo hoo!) I suspect that will also add quite a bit of immersion.
A@j9murphy Do you know of any popular/working air bladder g-seat mods for a bucket seat?
JI do not unfortunately. I looked briefly before I decided to build this but couldnt find anything I liked. All of the motion guru's hang out here though, you could probably ask that in one of the community forums. https://www.xsimulator.net/
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SHello mates. Has anyone a good profile for F4E dcs world for a cyclic with 30-40cm extension?
1I’m brand new to the rhino but I tried one of the profiles from knowledge thread last night and it completely screwed up my stuff, use caution! I could’ve done something wrong but it changed my stick calibration everything…..
Pthe profile will have the calibration info for that base with it
Pso yeah it'll mess with your own calibration
Ltry this if the sled's pitch sensitivity is too weird
Land keep trimming
1So sharing vpconf files are a bad idea?
PI don't have rhino in & config app open atm but can you copy paste your own calibration numbers somewhere then load the new profile & copy paste you calibration back in? not exactly smooth operation but better than recalibrating if you don't want to.
11Although I used it and finally got it to seemingly working and love it
PI just have a few generic profiles I use then tweak each new module from there as I fly it. Have a generic profile each for; fbw jet, non-fbw jet, warbird, helo, ga. Load the profile & tweak as you fly it.
1Can you have profiles for telemffb that doesn’t affect vpconfig?
Pyeah always keep a backup copy of a default profile that has been calibrated, that way if anything goes wrong you can reload that & get back to a baseline that was working
PI look at it that vpconfig is to adjust how the base feels & telemffb is to adjust what effects the sim sends to the base
1I gathered that last night, I thought when I loaded the profile it was just loading to telemffb but it changed my vpconfig too
Pwith dcs & IL2 you don't need telemffb as those sims have native ffb support, msfs2020 needs telemffb cause it has no native support. So you can run dcs without telemffb & still get whatever ffb effects the module maker baked in.
Poh yeah you can point telemffb app to the config profile you want it to load for a certian module, so when you jump in the f-18 it will load the vpconfig profile you tell it too.
1I didn’t hardly any feedback in dcs until I installed telemffb?
Pyeah so the f-14 has good ffb native, the f4 has some it just depends on the module maker. Telemffb adds more though, like the bumps from ground texture on taxi etc.
SThanks mate i will give it a try. and what about telemffb?
SI can not understand how F4E fly. i mean i pull stick aft and always it counters FWD, it always counters to the opposite direction.
SSo if i want to fly i move stick back and also trim back otherwise it counters my input
Pcheck for double bindings??
P& no axis curves with ffb
1Yes it felt incredible after installing it!
One more question, when I change aircraft in dcs why does my vpconfig settings change? Mainly the gain and effects?
One more question, when I change aircraft in dcs why does my vpconfig settings change? Mainly the gain and effects?
PI'm not sure about that? Is it trying to load a different profile for a new module? Sorry you might need to take that one to support channel
1I dunno, I stored the config ect…. Had me puzzled
1It’s like when telemffb changed Aircraft it’s reverting back to something
Pstore config means that's the default config that the rhino will load & use, so even if you don't turn on the config app the rhino will use the stored profile by default
1That’s what I was thinking
LI know it's unlike anything else I've flown. Bobweights and bellows maintain pitch stability in F-4E and HB modelled it. The neutral trim position moves around based on airspeed (bellows) and g (bobweights). Whether you need to trim nose down or nose up depends on what's happening to your airspeed. When it increases, to maintain level flight you trim nose down and vice versa. It's normal that you are trimming it pretty much all the time. You don't even think about it after a while.
SSo this is normal? THis is they way it should work?
Si think i am okay
LThey say you trim the real thing pretty much the whole time. The pitch stability system is not classified if you want to know more.
LThe beauty of the thing (for us) is that we don't have to think about trim. We feel it in our grip hand and it comes naturally.
LI have no idea how sprung joystick owners can fly F-4E - especially in combat
LBig part of the difficulty is the placing of the AoA indicator, I just can't see it during dogfights