I have **no idea** how sprung joystick owners can fly F-4E - especially in combat
I have no idea how sprung joystick owners can fly F-4E - especially in combat
LBig part of the difficulty is the placing of the AoA indicator, I just can't see it during dogfights
L(I'm in VR)
Buse the audio cues and feel
RMy first thought after trying the F14 again.
1Any suggestions as to why when I try to recalibrate my axis one of them is 38xx in center as opposed to close to 2000?
Ayou probably need to remove the band on that axis and get it closer to numerical center and put the band back on
Athe pro tip i learned from someone else on here -- with the band off, manually set axis min to 0, and axis max to 4096, then set 100% spring, apply those settings, then while carefully trying to keep the joystick perfectly vertical, add the band back on, which should get you a pretty decent middle around the numerical middle of the motor range
Athen after that, re-calibrate the min/max values for the axis and you should be good to go
1That’s what I just did but I don’t understand why it’s not setting the center value to 2048 when recalibrating? I think everything is working ok but seeing the center seems to do nothing. Unless I’m doing something wrong. I’m following the protomaker build guide as I did the diy unit
Acenter is automatically computed between min and max
Ai wouldn't worry about it lining up exactly halfway between 0 and 4096. what you ultimately care about, is that your moveable range does not extend below 0 and above 4096
1Makes sense!
A(talking about the raw_x/y values here)
1It was exceeding it until I moved the motor manually
Ayeah, that's what i figured when you mentioned the center being so high
1Now to hopefully figure out how to get a Constant Spring effect instead of a progressive type effect
Awhat are you trying to accomplish?
1Have it act like a mag brake. The way it is now is more progressive, soft around center and “spring” gets stronger the farther out you go. I want it linear, same force over the entire range, primarily around central trimmed position though.
1I think I can accomplish this via curve
Ahmm, you could mess with spring gain most likely to accomplish this
Anot sure how well it would work in practice
Lsounds to my untrained ear what you describe is a constant force not spring force
Aconstant force is only 1 force in one direction, what i belive bama wants is still something that acts like a spring, in that it centers
Abut the force is always the same and not stronger as you move out
1Yes but with the ability to recenter
1The couple min I had earlier looked like the spring gain curve would accomplish this, essentially the motors should always have the same amps
LBe careful if you play with a constant force - I just just set it to 50% and went to effects, set a static force and it almost hit me in the nuts - hard
1The reason I want this is for rotary aircraft
LIf I had a cut-out in my seat, I wouldn't be here typing away happily 
Awhat aircraft/sims are you planning to fly?
1Dcs, mostly helicopters
Aare you just not happy with the force feedback they are giving you? or are you just attempting to re-create the ideal experience outside of the game, for the game?
Ai would say Apache and Kiowa both have pretty great FFB support, and you can use TelemFFB to refine it if necessary (can't speak for the other heli's tho)
Ai.e. -- i personally wouldn't recommend fucking with spring gain for those modules
1All the effects and ffb are very nice, but I want a better “grab” at the central position. One reason is because I use a warthog stick in a 200mm ext so it flops around pretty easily. I did the spring balance thing and that helps but it’s sooo light in the center, even with springs high
Aoh yeah, 200mm with a heavy stick like that could be problematic, do you have spring gain cranked up?
A(also making sure if you have the pot dial for spring gain, that it too is up)
Areason i ask, is because out of the box apache for me is very strong centering
Ai do have a heavy-ish grip (alpha prime) but no extension, and most likely not as heavy as the warthog
Aanother thing you could try is adding some damping force too
RThis is what i have been battling with and the boing issue, but thats sorted as best as it can be with increasing damper and fine tuning friction on teleffb
1I messed with the spring in the “settings” tab, I’m still somewhat confused as to what the difference in setting page, effect % and telemffb are….
Amy suggestion would be, start with something like this for the sliders (ignore all the other settings for now, don't mess with those) (also -- put master gain on 100%, i dunno why i had it on 95% when i took that), then disable all other settings in the Effects tab (except maybe balance spring since you've got an extension? but that's another discussion)
Athen using telemffb, for example, with the apache i did this: added like 25% damping to it
1I’ll sure try it! I thought effects had to be on in the vp config?
Asome settings that might also be worth tweaking -- craunk up spring strength proportional damping -- that will help get rid of spring bounce, so to speak, and natural damping compensation can help when no damping is applied to make the stick move smoother
Anope -- effects in VP Configurator -- will get overridden by the game if it applies them, unless you select sticky. however you almost never want to use sticky because you don't want to interrupt what the game is doing
1Aaaaaa gotcha, makes sense
Athere are effects -- like balance spring, and the force trim stuff though, that are separate, but the force trim stuff, if the game supports force feedback, it'll generally have it's own force trim stuff that you'd want to use instead anyways