So the printed base comes in DIY parts, and I need to purchase VPFroce motor kit in advance, is that

So the printed base comes in DIY parts, and I need to purchase VPFroce motor kit in advance, is that right? Also, could you shed some light on the differences between the motors sold by VPForce? Those are 57BLF03, 86BLF04 and 86BLF03. Which one should I go for?

KKaidrick So the printed base comes in DIY parts, and I need to purchase VPFroce motor kit...

kaltokri•8/5/24, 7:00 AM

Yes, the kit includes all parts except the motor kit (1. DIY FFB kit: 57BLF03 x2 + USB - 299 € (+ VAT)) and power supply unit.
Both needed to be purchased separately.

Kkaltokri Yes, the kit includes all parts except the motor kit (1. DIY FFB kit: 57BLF03 x2...

KaidrickOP•8/5/24, 7:06 AM

Can I buy a power supply unit at VPForce website? I didn't see a PSU in the order request form. If they don't have it, what specifications should I look for? Thanks

FarFutureFox•8/5/24, 4:52 PM

I see some people make collectives with the Rhino parts. What would be the advantages of using FFB for a collective, apart from some effects like airframe vibration, weapons and touchdown?

amadeus•8/5/24, 5:04 PM

Probably really nice and configurable damping?

FarFutureFox•8/5/24, 5:07 PM

True. I’m considering making one for this reason. It’s not that much more costly than a good non-FFB collective.

Majik•8/5/24, 5:09 PM

Some helos, like the H145 have auto moving collectives as well when in autopilot

amadeus•8/5/24, 5:14 PM

I don’t think that’s supported yet tho, fwiw

slowmover•8/5/24, 5:16 PM

Ch-47F should also have a moving collective

slowmover•8/5/24, 5:16 PM

I am also thinking to buy another kit for making a collective and rudder pedals

Aamadeus I don’t think that’s supported yet tho, fwiw

Majik•8/5/24, 5:57 PM

Looks to be working here https://discord.com/channels/965234441511383080/1230919462144835674/1230926243222782087
Unless this is as yet unreleased and merely something @Number481 is working on for the future

amadeus•8/5/24, 6:01 PM

Oh that’s rad! Yeah not sure if that’s released yet, but maybe it is and I’m just out of the loop

Jon (Bounty_V)•8/5/24, 6:12 PM

https://qubicsystem.com/product/qs-bt1/ anyone seen this? Works with flight sim

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Driven by the same technology as breath taking QS-220, QS-BT1 is a multi-purpose, dual channel, direct drive seat belt tensioner that increases sim racing immersion like no other device in its class and price range. It can complete not only force feedback offered by direct drive wheels, but also move up the level of overall experience offered by...

Bob Bushman•8/5/24, 6:14 PM

For that price it should offer fellatio during aar.

MMajik Looks to be working here https://discord.com/channels/965234441511383080/1230919...

Number481•8/5/24, 6:17 PM

The AFCS implementation for the MSFS H145/160 from HPG is complete and functional for all 3 axes (Cyclic, Pedals, Collective). However it is a very unique case only made possible by direct involvement of the developers and external controls we have in MSFS via SimConnect.

The cyclic/pedals are not a simple "follow the axis" implementation. There were several key things were needed to implement it including specific telemetry indicating the state of the AFCS trim system and specific LVARS that could be set to indicate whether the axis is moving by user input.

The collective was actually the easiest to implement. If the user is not pressing the collective trim release, we simply do not send any axis data to the sim and just "follows the axis".

All that said, DCS does not provide the same external controls, or telemetry that would be needed to pull off a similar implementation.

From what I have read, the ED team intends to implement AFCS on the cyclic, but I would not expect we will be able to externally implement pedals and/or collective just due to DCS limitations.

BadKarma•8/5/24, 7:49 PM

Hi all, I just saw the Moza AB9 review and it said that when you use a Virpil stick some of the axis are recognised as buttons. Is the same true for the VPForce? I currently have a VKB installed as right stick and also thinking of adding a FFB center mounted one with either VKB or Virpil.

BBadKarma Hi all, I just saw the Moza AB9 review and it said that when you use a Virpil st...

LeLv30_Superbus•8/5/24, 8:44 PM

Rhino supports Virpil grips fully. VKB doesn't need support, only an adapter for attachment (remember include it in your order); you will use your blackbox, there is no electrical connection.

H145Rotor-Sims•8/5/24, 11:24 PM

Anyone looking for a Brunner CLS-E MKII Joystick? I'm selling mine and possibly my rhino as well. I'm going to sell the Brunner for 700 shipped anywhere in the USA. After that sells I'll be selling the rhino for 900 and it will be available immediately so there is no waiting. If you are in the USA shoot me a direct message and I'm happy to answer questions

HH145Rotor-Sims Anyone looking for a Brunner CLS-E MKII Joystick? I'm selling mine and possibly ...

=БК=Antony [99]•8/6/24, 1:00 AM

and then I'll buy a Moza for 570usd. )))

==БК=Antony [99]and then I'll buy a Moza for 570usd. )))

Austringer•8/6/24, 1:05 AM

Moza is a shadow of what the Rhino is capable of

Austringer•8/6/24, 1:06 AM

it is possible a while in the future they might have some of the Rhinos features, but right now, its not even close.

Austringer•8/6/24, 1:06 AM

as it stands today Moza is a glorified haptic feedback device.

==БК=Antony [99]and then I'll buy a Moza for 570usd. )))

H145Rotor-Sims•8/6/24, 1:06 AM

Moza is new to the flight sim game. Brunner equipment is in actual flight schools and they've been doing this for an extremely long time and the software is great. Completely different markets.

AAustringer Moza is a shadow of what the Rhino is capable of

=БК=Antony [99]•8/6/24, 1:07 AM

Rino the same Moza and all them shadow of FFBeast )

AAustringer it is possible a while in the future they might have some of the Rhinos features...

H145Rotor-Sims•8/6/24, 1:08 AM

Agreed, the Rhino is extremely capable. I'm going a different route hence why I'm selling both.

==БК=Antony [99]Rino the same Moza and all them shadow of FFBeast )

H145Rotor-Sims•8/6/24, 1:09 AM

And FFB beast is a shadow of the Brunner CLS-P cyclic which is 100NM and certified for flight training. Not to mention its about 10K USD.

HH145Rotor-Sims And FFB beast is a shadow of the Brunner CLS-P cyclic which is 100NM and certifi...

=БК=Antony [99]•8/6/24, 1:12 AM

cyclyk its not collective, ffb cyclic 100nm who needs that shit at home )

==БК=Antony [99]cyclyk its not collective, ffb cyclic 100nm who needs that shit at home )

H145Rotor-Sims•8/6/24, 1:17 AM

You would be surprised. Same could be said for the amount force for the wheels that have direct drive "who needs that shit at home" . There is a reason Brunner chose 100nm for their cyclic. Enjoy your moza, to each their own.

HH145Rotor-Sims You would be surprised. Same could be said for the amount force for the wheels t...

=БК=Antony [99]•8/6/24, 1:22 AM

Moza for children real men like me use FF Beast ))) direct drive on the steering wheel corresponds in terms of a racing car 13-17kg, 100nm if work hydraulic its not real

==БК=Antony [99]Moza for children real men like me use FF Beast ))) direct drive on the steering...

H145Rotor-Sims•8/6/24, 1:26 AM

Why are you even in the Rhino discord then? 32NM isn't alot of force at all. My 10 year old nephew could handle 32NM turning wrenches in my motorcycle when we work on it.

==БК=Antony [99]Moza for children real men like me use FF Beast ))) direct drive on the steering...

H145Rotor-Sims•8/6/24, 1:30 AM

Yes I know what direct drive is and the difference. I don't use race sims. I fly in real life and use sims. I'm very aware of the forces and I trust the engineers both mechanical and electrical at brunner what they did with their cyclic has the most realistic forces applied or can be simulated based on the aircraft for FFS Level D

HH145Rotor-Sims Why are you even in the Rhino discord then? 32NM isn't alot of force at all. My ...

=БК=Antony [99]•8/6/24, 1:33 AM

Same question, why are you even in the ffbeast discord? ))) in real Mi-8 heli on collective 5kg if hydro work.

Ice•8/6/24, 1:41 AM

It's a damn shame the FFBeast's potential is ruined by bad software. The output of the stick is completely meaningless if the software isn't worth a damn.

IIce It's a damn shame the FFBeast's potential is ruined by bad software. The output ...

The LT•8/6/24, 1:48 AM

And you have any reasonable arguments concerning its shortcomings?

TThe LT And you have any reasonable arguments concerning its shortcomings?

Ice•8/6/24, 1:51 AM

Just go look at your software and compare it to the range of effects TelemFFB can produce. There's no argument to be made. TelemFFB is by far the superior software.

IIce Just go look at your software and compare it to the range of effects TelemFFB ca...

The LT•8/6/24, 1:51 AM

Of course there isn't any argument. I expected as much.

Ice•8/6/24, 1:53 AM

I won't entertain you any longer, it's clear you came here to argue... for some really odd reason.

IIce Just go look at your software and compare it to the range of effects TelemFFB ca...

The LT•8/6/24, 1:53 AM

And what makes the software better? Abundance of unrealistic stick shaking effects I assume?

Ice•8/6/24, 1:54 AM

I'm very happy with my product, you're happy with yours. We can leave it at that.

IIce I'm very happy with my product, you're happy with yours. We can leave it at that...

The LT•8/6/24, 1:56 AM

I don't think you know what "product" I am using. But I expected more, tbh.

SamNFTY•8/6/24, 1:57 AM

IIce I won't entertain you any longer, it's clear you came here to argue... for some ...

The LT•8/6/24, 1:57 AM

There is nothing odd about it. You're bashing a product and I'd like to hear some concise argumentation.

==БК=Antony [99]Same question, why are you even in the ffbeast discord? ))) in real Mi-8 heli on...

H145Rotor-Sims•8/6/24, 2:14 AM

@=БК=Antony [99] This is the Rhino discord..It's clear you think the FFBeast is the best joystick since sliced bread and good for you that it works. I didn't know a flight sim and 32NM makes someone a real man. That's pretty funny...

HH145Rotor-Sims @=БК=Antony [99] This is the Rhino discord..It's clear you think the FFBeast is ...

Ice•8/6/24, 2:16 AM

Don't give them any attention. Just your average Russian trolls. I didn't even realize it was two separate people at first with how comically similar they were acting.

IIce Don't give them any attention. Just your average Russian trolls. I didn't even r...

The LT•8/6/24, 2:17 AM

Something comical about my legitimate questions?

IIce Don't give them any attention. Just your average Russian trolls. I didn't even r...

The LT•8/6/24, 2:19 AM

I asked a pretty simple question in response to your statement that ffbeast is "bad software". Can't say I got a satisfactory reply.

IIce Don't give them any attention. Just your average Russian trolls. I didn't even r...

H145Rotor-Sims•8/6/24, 2:19 AM

It's clear that anyone that wants to find the short comings of a product is to simply go to the products discord and glance at the discussions specifically the tech support section and that's were all the short comings are exposed. No needs to explain it to anyone.

IIce Don't give them any attention. Just your average Russian trolls. I didn't even r...

=БК=Antony [99]•8/6/24, 2:20 AM

you dont have arguments but we russian trolls. good logics.

HH145Rotor-Sims It's clear that anyone that wants to find the short comings of a product is to s...

Ice•8/6/24, 2:20 AM

Exactly. They're not worth an ounce of your energy.

IIce Exactly. They're not worth an ounce of your energy.

The LT•8/6/24, 2:21 AM

Except you aren't on FFBeast discord. Which kinda invalidates the argument. What I am trying to figure out is why you're so butthurt about it.

==БК=Antony [99]you dont have arguments but we russian trolls. good logics.

H145Rotor-Sims•8/6/24, 2:22 AM

Ice dosen't need to give anyone a response. He knows the short comings based on his own experiences and if you look in the discord the users speak about it. Ice dosen't need to do any research for you or answer any questions.

So the printed base comes in DIY parts, and I need to purchase VPFroce motor kit in advance, is that

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