Hi all, I just saw the Moza AB9 review and it said that when you use a Virpil stick some of the axis

Hi all, I just saw the Moza AB9 review and it said that when you use a Virpil stick some of the axis are recognised as buttons. Is the same true for the VPForce? I currently have a VKB installed as right stick and also thinking of adding a FFB center mounted one with either VKB or Virpil.

BBadKarma Hi all, I just saw the Moza AB9 review and it said that when you use a Virpil st...

LeLv30_Superbus•8/5/24, 8:44 PM

Rhino supports Virpil grips fully. VKB doesn't need support, only an adapter for attachment (remember include it in your order); you will use your blackbox, there is no electrical connection.

H145Rotor-Sims•8/5/24, 11:24 PM

Anyone looking for a Brunner CLS-E MKII Joystick? I'm selling mine and possibly my rhino as well. I'm going to sell the Brunner for 700 shipped anywhere in the USA. After that sells I'll be selling the rhino for 900 and it will be available immediately so there is no waiting. If you are in the USA shoot me a direct message and I'm happy to answer questions

HH145Rotor-Sims Anyone looking for a Brunner CLS-E MKII Joystick? I'm selling mine and possibly ...

=БК=Antony [99]•8/6/24, 1:00 AM

and then I'll buy a Moza for 570usd. )))

==БК=Antony [99]and then I'll buy a Moza for 570usd. )))

Austringer•8/6/24, 1:05 AM

Moza is a shadow of what the Rhino is capable of

Austringer•8/6/24, 1:06 AM

it is possible a while in the future they might have some of the Rhinos features, but right now, its not even close.

Austringer•8/6/24, 1:06 AM

as it stands today Moza is a glorified haptic feedback device.

==БК=Antony [99]and then I'll buy a Moza for 570usd. )))

H145Rotor-Sims•8/6/24, 1:06 AM

Moza is new to the flight sim game. Brunner equipment is in actual flight schools and they've been doing this for an extremely long time and the software is great. Completely different markets.

AAustringer Moza is a shadow of what the Rhino is capable of

=БК=Antony [99]•8/6/24, 1:07 AM

Rino the same Moza and all them shadow of FFBeast )

AAustringer it is possible a while in the future they might have some of the Rhinos features...

H145Rotor-Sims•8/6/24, 1:08 AM

Agreed, the Rhino is extremely capable. I'm going a different route hence why I'm selling both.

==БК=Antony [99]Rino the same Moza and all them shadow of FFBeast )

H145Rotor-Sims•8/6/24, 1:09 AM

And FFB beast is a shadow of the Brunner CLS-P cyclic which is 100NM and certified for flight training. Not to mention its about 10K USD.

HH145Rotor-Sims And FFB beast is a shadow of the Brunner CLS-P cyclic which is 100NM and certifi...

=БК=Antony [99]•8/6/24, 1:12 AM

cyclyk its not collective, ffb cyclic 100nm who needs that shit at home )

==БК=Antony [99]cyclyk its not collective, ffb cyclic 100nm who needs that shit at home )

H145Rotor-Sims•8/6/24, 1:17 AM

You would be surprised. Same could be said for the amount force for the wheels that have direct drive "who needs that shit at home" . There is a reason Brunner chose 100nm for their cyclic. Enjoy your moza, to each their own.

HH145Rotor-Sims You would be surprised. Same could be said for the amount force for the wheels t...

=БК=Antony [99]•8/6/24, 1:22 AM

Moza for children real men like me use FF Beast ))) direct drive on the steering wheel corresponds in terms of a racing car 13-17kg, 100nm if work hydraulic its not real

==БК=Antony [99]Moza for children real men like me use FF Beast ))) direct drive on the steering...

H145Rotor-Sims•8/6/24, 1:26 AM

Why are you even in the Rhino discord then? 32NM isn't alot of force at all. My 10 year old nephew could handle 32NM turning wrenches in my motorcycle when we work on it.

==БК=Antony [99]Moza for children real men like me use FF Beast ))) direct drive on the steering...

H145Rotor-Sims•8/6/24, 1:30 AM

Yes I know what direct drive is and the difference. I don't use race sims. I fly in real life and use sims. I'm very aware of the forces and I trust the engineers both mechanical and electrical at brunner what they did with their cyclic has the most realistic forces applied or can be simulated based on the aircraft for FFS Level D

HH145Rotor-Sims Why are you even in the Rhino discord then? 32NM isn't alot of force at all. My ...

=БК=Antony [99]•8/6/24, 1:33 AM

Same question, why are you even in the ffbeast discord? ))) in real Mi-8 heli on collective 5kg if hydro work.

Ice•8/6/24, 1:41 AM

It's a damn shame the FFBeast's potential is ruined by bad software. The output of the stick is completely meaningless if the software isn't worth a damn.

IIce It's a damn shame the FFBeast's potential is ruined by bad software. The output ...

The LT•8/6/24, 1:48 AM

And you have any reasonable arguments concerning its shortcomings?

TThe LT And you have any reasonable arguments concerning its shortcomings?

Ice•8/6/24, 1:51 AM

Just go look at your software and compare it to the range of effects TelemFFB can produce. There's no argument to be made. TelemFFB is by far the superior software.

IIce Just go look at your software and compare it to the range of effects TelemFFB ca...

The LT•8/6/24, 1:51 AM

Of course there isn't any argument. I expected as much.

Ice•8/6/24, 1:53 AM

I won't entertain you any longer, it's clear you came here to argue... for some really odd reason.

IIce Just go look at your software and compare it to the range of effects TelemFFB ca...

The LT•8/6/24, 1:53 AM

And what makes the software better? Abundance of unrealistic stick shaking effects I assume?

Ice•8/6/24, 1:54 AM

I'm very happy with my product, you're happy with yours. We can leave it at that.

IIce I'm very happy with my product, you're happy with yours. We can leave it at that...

The LT•8/6/24, 1:56 AM

I don't think you know what "product" I am using. But I expected more, tbh.

SamNFTY•8/6/24, 1:57 AM

IIce I won't entertain you any longer, it's clear you came here to argue... for some ...

The LT•8/6/24, 1:57 AM

There is nothing odd about it. You're bashing a product and I'd like to hear some concise argumentation.

==БК=Antony [99]Same question, why are you even in the ffbeast discord? ))) in real Mi-8 heli on...

H145Rotor-Sims•8/6/24, 2:14 AM

@=БК=Antony [99] This is the Rhino discord..It's clear you think the FFBeast is the best joystick since sliced bread and good for you that it works. I didn't know a flight sim and 32NM makes someone a real man. That's pretty funny...

HH145Rotor-Sims @=БК=Antony [99] This is the Rhino discord..It's clear you think the FFBeast is ...

Ice•8/6/24, 2:16 AM

Don't give them any attention. Just your average Russian trolls. I didn't even realize it was two separate people at first with how comically similar they were acting.

IIce Don't give them any attention. Just your average Russian trolls. I didn't even r...

The LT•8/6/24, 2:17 AM

Something comical about my legitimate questions?

IIce Don't give them any attention. Just your average Russian trolls. I didn't even r...

The LT•8/6/24, 2:19 AM

I asked a pretty simple question in response to your statement that ffbeast is "bad software". Can't say I got a satisfactory reply.

IIce Don't give them any attention. Just your average Russian trolls. I didn't even r...

H145Rotor-Sims•8/6/24, 2:19 AM

It's clear that anyone that wants to find the short comings of a product is to simply go to the products discord and glance at the discussions specifically the tech support section and that's were all the short comings are exposed. No needs to explain it to anyone.

IIce Don't give them any attention. Just your average Russian trolls. I didn't even r...

=БК=Antony [99]•8/6/24, 2:20 AM

you dont have arguments but we russian trolls. good logics.

HH145Rotor-Sims It's clear that anyone that wants to find the short comings of a product is to s...

Ice•8/6/24, 2:20 AM

Exactly. They're not worth an ounce of your energy.

IIce Exactly. They're not worth an ounce of your energy.

The LT•8/6/24, 2:21 AM

Except you aren't on FFBeast discord. Which kinda invalidates the argument. What I am trying to figure out is why you're so butthurt about it.

==БК=Antony [99]you dont have arguments but we russian trolls. good logics.

H145Rotor-Sims•8/6/24, 2:22 AM

Ice dosen't need to give anyone a response. He knows the short comings based on his own experiences and if you look in the discord the users speak about it. Ice dosen't need to do any research for you or answer any questions.

HH145Rotor-Sims Ice dosen't need to give anyone a response. He knows the short comings based on ...

=БК=Antony [99]•8/6/24, 2:23 AM

are you his lawyer?
he said it was better, he was asked, than

TThe LT Except you aren't on FFBeast discord. Which kinda invalidates the argument. What...

H145Rotor-Sims•8/6/24, 2:23 AM

Maybe he left because he saw what I saw. People mentioning the software needs more work. As long as people are happy with the product they choose thats all that matters.

Ice•8/6/24, 2:23 AM

What the Russian trolls don't know is that I was on that Discord and did extensive research on both products before making an informed purchase for myself and recommendation to my brother for a FFB stick.

HH145Rotor-Sims Ice dosen't need to give anyone a response. He knows the short comings based on ...

The LT•8/6/24, 2:24 AM

So are you implying he compared the products and has first hand experience with both? Pretty sure that's false. Obviously agressive about it too. Any reason for that?

IIce What the Russian trolls don't know is that I was on that Discord and did extensi...

H145Rotor-Sims•8/6/24, 2:25 AM

I did the same. They have great hardware for sure but the software is under developed hence why I didn't buy one.

HH145Rotor-Sims I did the same. They have great hardware for sure but the software is under deve...

Ice•8/6/24, 2:25 AM

Yep. Now for real, just don't reply to them. The game they're playing is obvious. Re-engage chill VPForce Discord vibes.

TThe LT So are you implying he compared the products and has first hand experience with ...

H145Rotor-Sims•8/6/24, 2:26 AM

Perhaps he did but one does not need a physical product to gather research about software.

HH145Rotor-Sims Maybe he left because he saw what I saw. People mentioning the software needs mo...

The LT•8/6/24, 2:26 AM

And what software doesn't need more work? DCS itself is a trainwreck of a sim and has been for a long long time. Yet it has hordes of adamant fans willing to throw money at every preorder ED throws at them.

IIce Yep. Now for real, just don't reply to them. The game they're playing is obvious...

=БК=Antony [99]•8/6/24, 2:27 AM

I haven't read more bullshit yet, how old are you, 15 ?

TThe LT And what software doesn't need more work? DCS itself is a trainwreck of a sim an...

H145Rotor-Sims•8/6/24, 2:29 AM

I don't use DCS. People throw money at all kinds of products we all know this.

HH145Rotor-Sims Perhaps he did but one does not need a physical product to gather research about...

The LT•8/6/24, 2:29 AM

That's kinda ridiculous, tbh. You absolutely need to gave the hardware and see how the system works as a whole to form an informed opinion.

TThe LT That's kinda ridiculous, tbh. You absolutely need to gave the hardware and see h...

H145Rotor-Sims•8/6/24, 2:31 AM

No you do not. Other people have already spoken about it who purchased the unit and have physically used it. There are people who have both the Rhino and FFBeast and you read about both sides.

HH145Rotor-Sims I don't use DCS. People throw money at all kinds of products we all know this.

The LT•8/6/24, 2:32 AM

I am ok people throwing money at all sorts of stuff. But bashing a product for no reason and being aggressive when asked for reasons? Pretty meh...

TThe LT I am ok people throwing money at all sorts of stuff. But bashing a product for n...

H145Rotor-Sims•8/6/24, 2:34 AM

I agree there is no reason to be aggressive. A product is a product but one can draw their own conclusions if they wish based on other people's experiences. That's actually intelligently because the 1st iteration of anything is rarely remarkable.

=БК=Antony [99]•8/6/24, 2:37 AM

@joedreamliner787
also insult people based on their nationality, calling them trolls, although he himself started this conversation about software

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