Can the smart folks here confirm that the solution to @Greekbull issue is to turn OFF FFB in DCS (wh

Can the smart folks here confirm that the solution to @Greekbull issue is to turn OFF FFB in DCS (when flying the F-4 only)? This has solved the severe pitch up issue, but leaves you without any effects other than what you load through the configurator (spring, damper, inertia, etc)?
(edited first sentance clarify)

Wwitcohe Can the smart folks here confirm that the solution to @Greekbull issue is to tur...

Number481•8/23/24, 2:57 AM

No. Something else is wrong. FFB works fine with the F4.

Greekbull•8/23/24, 2:59 AM

Yeah witcohe and I are having the exact same issue. I’ve been traveling on business today so haven’t had a chance to do any testing

Wwitcohe Can the smart folks here confirm that the solution to @Greekbull issue is to tur...

Hiob•8/23/24, 3:02 AM

Yes, no problems here neither. The Phantom works fine with FFB and the Rhino. Something else is off.
In addition to my suggestions above, you guys may check if pther export scripts are working alongside the Rhino/TelemFFB and disable them for testing.

Greekbull•8/23/24, 3:05 AM

I know I’ve got export scripts going to SRS, Simshaker(need to clean that), SimHaptic(replacement for Simshaker), DCRealistic and I think that’s it. I’ll try remove them and test this weekend.

Number481•8/23/24, 3:10 AM

Export scripts *shouldn’t * have anything to do with it. It’s not related to TelemFFB and happens without it running, unless I misunderstood @Greekbull

Hiob•8/23/24, 6:29 AM

Just shooting in the blue and trying to eliminate variables. Basic housekeeping doesn’t harm when troubleshooting. I don’t necessarily think this is the issue here but scripts have been causing all kinds of issues in the past.

Hiob•8/23/24, 6:32 AM

Maybe it should also be noted, that it is normal for the Phantom to have the stick trimmed quite a lot forward at speed. So don’t expect it to be in the middle position. Of course it should (must) still be possible to maintain level flight.

Monk•8/23/24, 7:24 PM

New and at a loss here. In the DCS A-10C II, my Pitch Axis is way too high (see image), there's very little forward motion left - no matter if in flight or on the ground. Most other modules are fine. I have FFB on in DCS, telem-ffb is off and the only effect in use is 'Spring'. What could be the cause?

MMonk New and at a loss here. In the DCS A-10C II, my Pitch Axis is way too high (see ...

Number481•8/23/24, 7:30 PM

What you're seeing is "normal". That's how the A10 (and F14) are coded to simulate the asymmetric throw of the IRL stick. See here, which also points to a technique using configurator to cancel out the offset... 🧰support

GGreekbull Yeah witcohe and I are having the exact same issue. I’ve been traveling on busi...

witcoheOP•8/23/24, 7:59 PM

It looks like I found the issue in my case - disabling "Balance Spring" and enabling "Force Trim" made the stck and aircraft handle like I expected. DCS FFB is enabled, along with Spring, Inertia, and Damping effects from the configurator. Spring strength is adjusted via pot 1, which I normally keep at 15% (it was higher when this screen snap was taken).

Wwitcohe It looks like I found the issue in my case - disabling "Balance Spring" and enab...

Hiob•8/24/24, 8:04 AM

Good that you got it solved for you! However, I don’t think that Hardware trim needs to be enabled, because I only use that for Helicopters and still the Phantom flies fine for me without it.
On the other hand, I happen to use balance spring on all my profiles - including the Phantom….

So - whatever the problem was, changing those settings probably only seemed to solve it by chance.

MMonk New and at a loss here. In the DCS A-10C II, my Pitch Axis is way too high (see ...

kaltokri•8/24/24, 10:25 AM

If you have added curves to your axis in DCS this might lead to trouble. Try to deactivate them.

MMonk New and at a loss here. In the DCS A-10C II, my Pitch Axis is way too high (see ...

142nd_Bama•8/24/24, 11:04 AM

I would bet my left arm you’re in takeoff Trim. Once you take off you’ll have to retrim for level flight…… to test Trim it center and hold the “takeoff trim” button just left off the throttle and see if the stick moves back to that location

Wwalmis I'll add provisions to the new firmware to adjust the fan settings to make them ...

omohat•8/24/24, 11:34 AM

Has there been any firmware update recently to add the fan control option?

HHiob Good that you got it solved for you! However, I don’t think that Hardware trim n...

witcoheOP•8/24/24, 1:18 PM

IRL doesn't the F-4s stick move with trim adjustment? Selecting Force Trim is the only way this occurs with the default F-4 telemffb profile or am I misunderstanding something?

Number481•8/24/24, 1:22 PM

There’s som misunderstandings here. The force trim setting in configurator won’t do anything when DCS is running unless you had “sticky” enabled on the spring effect.

The trim movement for all DCS aircraft (that support it) comes from the native FFB and binding the trim in the game.

Wwitcohe IRL doesn't the F-4s stick move with trim adjustment? Selecting Force Trim is th...

Hiob•8/24/24, 1:31 PM

It does, no, probably….

NNumber481 There’s som misunderstandings here. The force trim setting in configurator won’...

Hiob•8/24/24, 1:38 PM

I wouldn’t bet blood on it without trying, but I think this only 50% correct. IIRC you can enable „override trim“ without making the spring sticky. I maybe wrong so. Need to test again.

Hiob•8/24/24, 1:39 PM

Either way though, neither, sticky spring nor hardware trim is needed to make the Phantom behave properly. I assume something else is going on.

Number481•8/24/24, 1:57 PM

“Override trim” is a different setting. My point was that in the configuration in the screenshot, those bindings in the app will have no effect when DCS is running.

NNumber481 “Override trim” is a different setting. My point was that in the configuration i...

Hiob•8/24/24, 2:12 PM

That‘s of course true!

Scorpio•8/24/24, 3:14 PM

Gents, Harrier (AV-8B) question: with AFS on, the trim switches are supposed to work as input device for the autopilot - to start a turn, hold trim switch until desired bank, let go and AFS will maintain the bank at the time; same for pitch.
Having just finished setting up my brand new Rhino, it doesn't seem to work that way anymore. The trim switch just trims until it kicks off the AFS. With or without Trim workaround.
Any thoughts?

NNumber481 Another thing to be aware of is that, currently, TelemFFB always tries to leave ...

frumpy•8/25/24, 11:07 AM

Hm, I had TelemFFB running all the time in the background. Then I started VPForceFFB manually. Springforce went to 97%. I set springforce in VPFFFB to 25%, stored it, closed both programs and restarted them. It stays at 25% now.

Prometheus [Prom]•8/26/24, 5:47 PM

finally put together my diy build rhino, seems to work ok. Except the winwing adaptor, when I plug it into the ww 16ex I get nothing, if I connect it up without screwing the stick together and wriggle the plug from the ww to the adaptor a bit some button presses get recognised so my base wiring is correct. Is this a faulty adaptor or something else? Ideas?

TheAmazinGreat•8/26/24, 7:49 PM

Sounds like some pins not making contact or something if it’s working when you wiggle it. Seen more than one WW adapter needing some extra force to seat fully. Could try that.

102nd-YU-devill•8/26/24, 8:16 PM

Hi, I got the confirmation of payment received for the DIY kit more than 10 days ago but no updates on the shipping date. How long is the delay usually before the kit is shipped?

1102nd-YU-devill Hi, I got the confirmation of payment received for the DIY kit more than 10 days...

kaltokri•8/26/24, 8:29 PM

Normally Walmis send them quickly after the payment is received. But he was in holiday. So it will be a delay because of that. https://discord.com/channels/965234441511383080/968208383251460226/1271827390963781797

TTheAmazinGreat Sounds like some pins not making contact or something if it’s working when you w...

Prometheus [Prom]•8/27/24, 12:33 AM

yeah, when I push it hard down it works but on release it fails…not workable really

1102nd-YU-devill Hi, I got the confirmation of payment received for the DIY kit more than 10 days...

Prometheus [Prom]•8/27/24, 12:35 AM

mine got sent after a week, add on vacation

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(41F) RAFAIR Dave H•8/27/24, 4:12 PM

Help please my rhino has started losing aileron feedback during flight
I get a mid freq vibration for about 5 secs then the ailerons go limp with no force at all
Vp rhino configurator shows a motor encoder fault
A reset brings back feedback for about two mins then same again

Hiob•8/27/24, 4:27 PM

What value has the middle position of the axis?

Hiob•8/27/24, 4:28 PM

I assume something wrong with the position encoder on the motor driver circuit. Probably something @walmis needs to look into.

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(41F) RAFAIR Dave H•8/27/24, 4:51 PM

I will check next time in on my rig and will open up to see if anything loose

((41F) RAFAIR Dave H Help please my rhino has started losing aileron feedback during flight I get a ...

walmis•8/27/24, 5:22 PM

That's probably just general instability, sometimes it throws encoder fault when it loses track to fast oscillations. Can you show your settings?

PPrometheus [Prom]yeah, when I push it hard down it works but on release it fails…not workable rea...

Prometheus [Prom]•8/27/24, 5:36 PM

having tested if a ps2 plug is also a poor fit, it was…..so to resolve this I engaged QR4rigs to disassemble the adaptor and use the pcb in one of their extensions….at a cost of £50. A little bit disappointed tbh

PPrometheus [Prom]having tested if a ps2 plug is also a poor fit, it was…..so to resolve this I en...

TheAmazinGreat•8/27/24, 6:42 PM

Walmis is back, you can try pinging him to help. He is usually able to troubleshoot any issues with grip adapters pretty quickly.

Scavenger•8/27/24, 7:01 PM

Hello everyone! Set up my Rhino today and have a bit of a strange issue. I noticed that (unsurprisingly) I have to rebind all of my controls, as although my WinWing F-16EX stick is the same as before it recognises that the base has changed. I copied the contents of the lua config files for my old stick/base combo in the hope that the controls would map over, and it seems to have mostly worked, apart from the trim hat.

Scavenger•8/27/24, 7:02 PM

It seems like the VPForce software is recognising the trim hat as somehow 'different' from the other switches, like so:

Scavenger•8/27/24, 7:02 PM

Scavenger•8/27/24, 7:03 PM

All the other hat switch presses correspond to buttons on the right-hand side of the window, but the trim hat presses seem to correspond with this bit on the left-hand side

SScavenger All the other hat switch presses correspond to buttons on the right-hand side of...

Prometheus [Prom]•8/27/24, 7:08 PM

speculating but the winwing conversion might be generic, have you calibrated in windows usb games settings?

PPrometheus [Prom]speculating but the winwing conversion might be generic, have you calibrated in ...

Scavenger•8/27/24, 7:09 PM

Not entirely sure what you mean by that, sorry! Is that a program I need to open?

SScavenger All the other hat switch presses correspond to buttons on the right-hand side of...

TheAmazinGreat•8/27/24, 7:16 PM

There is an option to do hat switches as buttons, may have got that setting swapped from original?

TheAmazinGreat•8/27/24, 7:16 PM

On the settings tab

TTheAmazinGreat There is an option to do hat switches as buttons, may have got that setting swap...

Scavenger•8/27/24, 7:18 PM

That was it, thank you!

Scavenger•8/27/24, 7:19 PM

For some reason, I had to check this box but only for the trim hat (Hat 1). The others worked fine by default!

SScavenger For some reason, I had to check this box but only for the trim hat (Hat 1). The ...

Prometheus [Prom]•8/27/24, 7:20 PM

I see number 7 is lit, I had that too, couldn’t figure out if it is feature or a bug.

Scavenger•8/27/24, 7:22 PM

No, that's intentional I believe - buttons 1 and 7 correspond to the resting positions of the flip-down trigger and pinky lever respectively. They're bindable buttons

SScavenger No, that's intentional I believe - buttons 1 and 7 correspond to the resting pos...

Prometheus [Prom]•8/27/24, 7:22 PM

thanks!

PPrometheus [Prom]thanks!

Prometheus [Prom]•8/27/24, 7:23 PM

post if your LUA sets up nicely, it never worked for me, you must have the ‘secret sauce’

Can the smart folks here confirm that the solution to @Greekbull issue is to turn OFF FFB in DCS (wh

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