IRL doesn't the F-4s stick move with trim adjustment? Selecting Force Trim is the only way this occu

IRL doesn't the F-4s stick move with trim adjustment? Selecting Force Trim is the only way this occurs with the default F-4 telemffb profile or am I misunderstanding something?

Number481•8/24/24, 1:22 PM

There’s som misunderstandings here. The force trim setting in configurator won’t do anything when DCS is running unless you had “sticky” enabled on the spring effect.

The trim movement for all DCS aircraft (that support it) comes from the native FFB and binding the trim in the game.

Wwitcohe IRL doesn't the F-4s stick move with trim adjustment? Selecting Force Trim is th...

Hiob•8/24/24, 1:31 PM

It does, no, probably….

NNumber481 There’s som misunderstandings here. The force trim setting in configurator won’...

Hiob•8/24/24, 1:38 PM

I wouldn’t bet blood on it without trying, but I think this only 50% correct. IIRC you can enable „override trim“ without making the spring sticky. I maybe wrong so. Need to test again.

Hiob•8/24/24, 1:39 PM

Either way though, neither, sticky spring nor hardware trim is needed to make the Phantom behave properly. I assume something else is going on.

Number481•8/24/24, 1:57 PM

“Override trim” is a different setting. My point was that in the configuration in the screenshot, those bindings in the app will have no effect when DCS is running.

NNumber481 “Override trim” is a different setting. My point was that in the configuration i...

Hiob•8/24/24, 2:12 PM

That‘s of course true!

Scorpio•8/24/24, 3:14 PM

Gents, Harrier (AV-8B) question: with AFS on, the trim switches are supposed to work as input device for the autopilot - to start a turn, hold trim switch until desired bank, let go and AFS will maintain the bank at the time; same for pitch.
Having just finished setting up my brand new Rhino, it doesn't seem to work that way anymore. The trim switch just trims until it kicks off the AFS. With or without Trim workaround.
Any thoughts?

NNumber481 Another thing to be aware of is that, currently, TelemFFB always tries to leave ...

frumpy•8/25/24, 11:07 AM

Hm, I had TelemFFB running all the time in the background. Then I started VPForceFFB manually. Springforce went to 97%. I set springforce in VPFFFB to 25%, stored it, closed both programs and restarted them. It stays at 25% now.

Prometheus [Prom]•8/26/24, 5:47 PM

finally put together my diy build rhino, seems to work ok. Except the winwing adaptor, when I plug it into the ww 16ex I get nothing, if I connect it up without screwing the stick together and wriggle the plug from the ww to the adaptor a bit some button presses get recognised so my base wiring is correct. Is this a faulty adaptor or something else? Ideas?

TheAmazinGreat•8/26/24, 7:49 PM

Sounds like some pins not making contact or something if it’s working when you wiggle it. Seen more than one WW adapter needing some extra force to seat fully. Could try that.

102nd-YU-devill•8/26/24, 8:16 PM

Hi, I got the confirmation of payment received for the DIY kit more than 10 days ago but no updates on the shipping date. How long is the delay usually before the kit is shipped?

1102nd-YU-devill Hi, I got the confirmation of payment received for the DIY kit more than 10 days...

kaltokri•8/26/24, 8:29 PM

Normally Walmis send them quickly after the payment is received. But he was in holiday. So it will be a delay because of that. https://discord.com/channels/965234441511383080/968208383251460226/1271827390963781797

TTheAmazinGreat Sounds like some pins not making contact or something if it’s working when you w...

Prometheus [Prom]•8/27/24, 12:33 AM

yeah, when I push it hard down it works but on release it fails…not workable really

1102nd-YU-devill Hi, I got the confirmation of payment received for the DIY kit more than 10 days...

Prometheus [Prom]•8/27/24, 12:35 AM

mine got sent after a week, add on vacation

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(41F) RAFAIR Dave H•8/27/24, 4:12 PM

Help please my rhino has started losing aileron feedback during flight
I get a mid freq vibration for about 5 secs then the ailerons go limp with no force at all
Vp rhino configurator shows a motor encoder fault
A reset brings back feedback for about two mins then same again

Hiob•8/27/24, 4:27 PM

What value has the middle position of the axis?

Hiob•8/27/24, 4:28 PM

I assume something wrong with the position encoder on the motor driver circuit. Probably something @walmis needs to look into.

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(41F) RAFAIR Dave H•8/27/24, 4:51 PM

I will check next time in on my rig and will open up to see if anything loose

((41F) RAFAIR Dave H Help please my rhino has started losing aileron feedback during flight I get a ...

walmis•8/27/24, 5:22 PM

That's probably just general instability, sometimes it throws encoder fault when it loses track to fast oscillations. Can you show your settings?

PPrometheus [Prom]yeah, when I push it hard down it works but on release it fails…not workable rea...

Prometheus [Prom]•8/27/24, 5:36 PM

having tested if a ps2 plug is also a poor fit, it was…..so to resolve this I engaged QR4rigs to disassemble the adaptor and use the pcb in one of their extensions….at a cost of £50. A little bit disappointed tbh

PPrometheus [Prom]having tested if a ps2 plug is also a poor fit, it was…..so to resolve this I en...

TheAmazinGreat•8/27/24, 6:42 PM

Walmis is back, you can try pinging him to help. He is usually able to troubleshoot any issues with grip adapters pretty quickly.

Scavenger•8/27/24, 7:01 PM

Hello everyone! Set up my Rhino today and have a bit of a strange issue. I noticed that (unsurprisingly) I have to rebind all of my controls, as although my WinWing F-16EX stick is the same as before it recognises that the base has changed. I copied the contents of the lua config files for my old stick/base combo in the hope that the controls would map over, and it seems to have mostly worked, apart from the trim hat.

Scavenger•8/27/24, 7:02 PM

It seems like the VPForce software is recognising the trim hat as somehow 'different' from the other switches, like so:

Scavenger•8/27/24, 7:02 PM

Scavenger•8/27/24, 7:03 PM

All the other hat switch presses correspond to buttons on the right-hand side of the window, but the trim hat presses seem to correspond with this bit on the left-hand side

SScavenger All the other hat switch presses correspond to buttons on the right-hand side of...

Prometheus [Prom]•8/27/24, 7:08 PM

speculating but the winwing conversion might be generic, have you calibrated in windows usb games settings?

PPrometheus [Prom]speculating but the winwing conversion might be generic, have you calibrated in ...

Scavenger•8/27/24, 7:09 PM

Not entirely sure what you mean by that, sorry! Is that a program I need to open?

SScavenger All the other hat switch presses correspond to buttons on the right-hand side of...

TheAmazinGreat•8/27/24, 7:16 PM

There is an option to do hat switches as buttons, may have got that setting swapped from original?

TheAmazinGreat•8/27/24, 7:16 PM

On the settings tab

TTheAmazinGreat There is an option to do hat switches as buttons, may have got that setting swap...

Scavenger•8/27/24, 7:18 PM

That was it, thank you!

Scavenger•8/27/24, 7:19 PM

For some reason, I had to check this box but only for the trim hat (Hat 1). The others worked fine by default!

SScavenger For some reason, I had to check this box but only for the trim hat (Hat 1). The ...

Prometheus [Prom]•8/27/24, 7:20 PM

I see number 7 is lit, I had that too, couldn’t figure out if it is feature or a bug.

Scavenger•8/27/24, 7:22 PM

No, that's intentional I believe - buttons 1 and 7 correspond to the resting positions of the flip-down trigger and pinky lever respectively. They're bindable buttons

SScavenger No, that's intentional I believe - buttons 1 and 7 correspond to the resting pos...

Prometheus [Prom]•8/27/24, 7:22 PM

thanks!

PPrometheus [Prom]thanks!

Prometheus [Prom]•8/27/24, 7:23 PM

post if your LUA sets up nicely, it never worked for me, you must have the ‘secret sauce’

Scavenger•8/27/24, 7:41 PM

The lua mostly works, but still not with the trim hat - I think it might be something to do with the fact that this diagram implies it's actually an 8-way hat

Scavenger•8/27/24, 7:46 PM

So here's the issue: I load up DCS and open the controls menu for the Mi-24P, which has my controls from the WinWing stick/base copied over to the WinWing stick/Rhino base. Most of the keybinds work as intended, e.g. the depress of the trim hat is written as JOY_BTN19 which corresponds correctly. However, the up/down/left/right of the trim hat are displayed as JOY_BTN_POV1_U, JOY_BTN_POV1_D, JOY_BTN_POV1_L, and JOY_BTN_POV1_R respectively.

Scavenger•8/27/24, 7:47 PM

The VPForce software has instead written these inputs to 45, 46, 47 and 48, and does not recognise the diagonal inputs as buttons.

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(41F) RAFAIR Dave H•8/27/24, 9:36 PM

@walmis here’s my settings

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(41F) RAFAIR Dave H•8/27/24, 9:39 PM

I had the master gain at 100% too

Naoki_NT3•8/29/24, 2:01 AM

What version is the latest Rhino firmware? Mine is v1.0.16. Is this old?

NNaoki_NT3 What version is the latest Rhino firmware? Mine is v1.0.16. Is this old?

Hiob•8/29/24, 5:49 AM

no, it‘s the latest. you‘re fine

HHiob no, it‘s the latest. you‘re fine

Naoki_NT3•8/29/24, 12:43 PM

Thanks. I am waiting for a new firmware. I already asked Walmis to include my grip support.

NNaoki_NT3 Thanks. I am waiting for a new firmware. I already asked Walmis to include my gr...

Hiob•8/29/24, 1:55 PM

Yeah, me too. For the support of custom fan control.

Subtile•8/29/24, 2:00 PM

Hey everybody,
Since weeks now, I don't understand why my Rhino self disconnects while I'm holding it about 3/5 seconds during a hard corner while in Dogfight on IL-2 or DCS.

Subtile•8/29/24, 2:01 PM

It's very disapointing.

kaltokri•8/29/24, 2:11 PM

What is your amps settings in the configurator?

SSubtile Hey everybody, Since weeks now, I don't understand why my Rhino self disconnects...

Col. Sanders•8/29/24, 2:14 PM

That is not normal. Most likely a setting issue. Also what do you have to do to recover the ffb?

SSubtile Hey everybody, Since weeks now, I don't understand why my Rhino self disconnects...

Hiob•8/29/24, 2:31 PM

Check the telemetry in the VP configurator while holding the G and see if the Amps exceed the set Amps, if so you need to reduce the spring force a bit. When you overpower the max strength of the motor (which is easy with the wrong settings) it will quit and need resetting.

Hiob•8/29/24, 2:32 PM

Basically you want settings, that do not exceed the maximal amps when you pull maximum deflection with a given spring setting.

IRL doesn't the F-4s stick move with trim adjustment? Selecting Force Trim is the only way this occu

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