In my case i alrrady have bass Shakers to inform me if i am for example near stall, so if i get it

In my case i alrrady have bass
Shakers to inform me if i am for example near stall, so if i get it right : the ideal settings
for beeing competitive with ffb stick in M.P. would be to tune it so lightly as to permit fast stick movements but at the same time to feel as much as possible of the effects that ffb can offer. Is that right?

AAnthony Air quake isn’t fun or immersive to me personally, but if I were to do it I’d tu...

dgiatrOP•8/28/24, 3:17 PM

What is TvE in M.P?

Ddgiatr In my case i alrrady have bass Shakers to inform me if i am for example near st...

Prometheus [Prom]•8/28/24, 8:52 PM

you get much better feedback from ffb stick on stalls, your fingers being more sensitive than your bum

OOgre This, the biggest advantage ffb gives you is feeling how your plane is reacting ...

lolof1•8/28/24, 8:57 PM

Yes it’s true ,the FFB VPForce it’s a game changer in simulation !

DARRYL•8/28/24, 9:24 PM

I assume that aerodynamic force feedback via the stick could be useful to develop a feel for max rate of turn airspeed (while watching opponent across the circle), despite no stall shakes in that regime. Looking forward to finding out some day.

Austringer•8/29/24, 3:02 AM

I was thinking about it, is there any reason to FFB pedals if you don't fly warbirds?

Col. Sanders•8/29/24, 3:17 AM

Helos, instantly switch between spring centering or not. Not sure if it's implemented yet or will be in games down the road but force trim

Austringer•8/29/24, 5:39 AM

DCS has helo pedal force trim

AAustringer I was thinking about it, is there any reason to FFB pedals if you don't fly warb...

Hiob•8/29/24, 5:54 AM

Sure. Next to the possibility of force trim, you can have all the same effects (like guns, stall shudder, ETL) like with the stick. Makes it even more immersive if stick and pedals are rumbling the same. My setup is on a moving platform and the engine/rotor vibration e.g. is felt through the whole contraption including my seat.

Scarlet•8/29/24, 6:51 AM

A lot of fighters have a pedal shaker stall warning. Would be cool to have that through FFB too

ddrake1984•8/29/24, 9:27 AM

Warm your hands?

HHiob Sure. Next to the possibility of force trim, you can have all the same effects (...

Austringer•8/29/24, 1:31 PM

Mine already vibrate for that stuff

AAustringer Mine already vibrate for that stuff

Hiob•8/29/24, 1:56 PM

You mean with a buttkicker kind of device?

HHiob You mean with a buttkicker kind of device?

Austringer•8/29/24, 2:12 PM

built in winwing haptics

Austringer•8/29/24, 2:46 PM

obviously not going to be as strong, but trying to decide if its really worth it for me to build it

AAustringer obviously not going to be as strong, but trying to decide if its really worth it...

Hiob•8/29/24, 2:56 PM

Obviously that is a matter of personal taste, can't really give you advice on that. All I can say is, that pretty much everyone who built or bought a Rhino is very happy. I am.

Xaero Zero•8/29/24, 2:56 PM

ability to customize stick feel right on fly in software, even not launching any sim is golden and alone worth it

Hiob•8/29/24, 2:57 PM

That is true

Xaero Zero•8/29/24, 2:57 PM

inertnia, spring force, damping, stick feels “real” instead of kinda springy feeling

HHiob Obviously that is a matter of personal taste, can't really give you advice on th...

Austringer•8/29/24, 3:07 PM

Oh there isn't a question about buying the Rhino, I've already got my invoice for that.

Austringer•8/29/24, 3:07 PM

I'm talking about Pedals only.

AAustringer Oh there isn't a question about buying the Rhino, I've already got my invoice fo...

Xaero Zero•8/29/24, 3:14 PM

personally I’m not a “flight” guy, but I will defo get MFG modded pedals, the only issue I currently face with that is lack of space, fitting everything into simracing rig is damn challenge

XXaero Zero personally I’m not a “flight” guy, but I will defo get MFG modded pedals, the on...

Austringer•8/29/24, 3:14 PM

I like MFG, but I prefer Winwing because of the ability to quickly remove the spring. this is huge for helo pilots.

Austringer•8/29/24, 3:15 PM

particularly when you fly fixed wing as well

AAustringer I like MFG, but I prefer Winwing because of the ability to quickly remove the sp...

Xaero Zero•8/29/24, 3:18 PM

i think Winwing might not fit into 50cm space I have (
but if you already have pedals itself, adding ffb is nobrainer there, the cost is not that big tbh

AAustringer I like MFG, but I prefer Winwing because of the ability to quickly remove the sp...

Xaero Zero•8/29/24, 3:22 PM

speaking of spring, with FFB pedals you can do that on fly in software (remove spring), @Hiob can assert on that more as I’m not that qualified with pedals

AAustringer I like MFG, but I prefer Winwing because of the ability to quickly remove the sp...

SamNFTY•8/29/24, 3:22 PM

How much easier is it to remove on the WW? The MFG isn't hard to remove

Xaero Zero•8/29/24, 3:24 PM

with ffb it should as quick as profile swap / move slider I guess )

AAustringer I like MFG, but I prefer Winwing because of the ability to quickly remove the sp...

Hiob•8/29/24, 3:32 PM

Well the FFB mod for the Crosswinds, there is no need anymore to remove the spring. Just have different profiles set for different Aircraft or change the setting on the fly.

Hiob•8/29/24, 3:34 PM

In fact the spring needs to be removed for the mod.

SSamNFTY How much easier is it to remove on the WW? The MFG isn't hard to remove

Austringer•8/29/24, 3:48 PM

5 seconds

Col. Sanders•8/29/24, 3:49 PM

Should take about the same time to remove the MFG. But as Hiob said that's one of the benefits of the FFB mod.

AAustringer I like MFG, but I prefer Winwing because of the ability to quickly remove the sp...

amadeus•8/29/24, 4:03 PM

There is no “spring” in FFB pedals (in fact, the conversion mod removes the spring). It’s entirely controlled in software. With TelemFFB there wouldn’t be any config to change between aircraft, you would just setup the pedals the way you want it to feel, and then everytime you fly that aircraft telemffb sets it up for you

Aamadeus There is no “spring” in FFB pedals (in fact, the conversion mod removes the spri...

Austringer•8/29/24, 6:18 PM

Yeah I know how FFB works ;). This was more of a cost-benefit question it will probably cost 300-350 to convert

AAustringer Yeah I know how FFB works ;). This was more of a cost-benefit question it will p...

Hiob•8/29/24, 7:40 PM

That‘s about right. More if you can’t print yourself and need a service, It‘s definitely enthusiast level stuff.

HHiob That‘s about right. More if you can’t print yourself and need a service, It‘s de...

Austringer•8/29/24, 7:42 PM

I can print, and design parts

AAustringer Yeah I know how FFB works ;). This was more of a cost-benefit question it will p...

amadeus•8/29/24, 7:54 PM

apologies, i misunderstood the thread of convo

Aamadeus apologies, i misunderstood the thread of convo 🙏

Austringer•8/29/24, 8:32 PM

No worries

AAustringer I can print, and design parts

SamNFTY•8/29/24, 8:51 PM

Do you have the MFG V3?

SamNFTY•8/29/24, 8:53 PM

I don't have the design expertise or even a 3D printer to adapt Hiob's design for the V3

SSamNFTY I don't have the design expertise or even a 3D printer to adapt Hiob's design fo...

Hiob•8/29/24, 8:56 PM

I‘m on it!

HHiob I‘m on it!

SamNFTY•8/29/24, 9:00 PM

Oh hell yeah!

SSamNFTY Do you have the MFG V3?

Austringer•8/29/24, 9:05 PM

Winwing skywalker

Sslowmover One question. If I fly multycrew with heuy as pilot and the copilot is flying th...

Gumby•8/30/24, 5:43 AM

Bumping this^^^

I still think it’d be an awesome implementation.

Regarding potential injury, the stick can jump around just as much from the FFB when you crash or do a hard landing, so what’s the difference?

VPforceBot•8/30/24, 7:33 AM

:package:

RHINO #0671 Has Shipped!

VPforceBot•8/30/24, 7:59 AM

:package:

RHINO #0672 Has Shipped!

Sslowmover One question. If I fly multycrew with heuy as pilot and the copilot is flying th...

Scarlet•8/30/24, 9:26 AM

OMG that would make teaching SOOOO much better!! Being able to follow along with the student's inputs and feel exactly how much they overcontrol XD

SScarlet OMG that would make teaching SOOOO much better!! Being able to follow along with...

Gumby•8/30/24, 9:41 AM

There’s that, plus handing over controls would be more seamless. Instead of having to enable and look at controls indicator then matching then requesting control, you could just grab the stick wherever it is and request control

Arno•8/30/24, 10:32 AM

Mhhh, an internet controllable multi axis moveable actiuator that can vibrate which sits between your legs. I wonder what alternative uses people might come up with? Mighh be a whole new world of enthousiasts for this!

AArno Mhhh, an internet controllable multi axis moveable actiuator that can vibrate wh...

SamNFTY•8/30/24, 10:42 AM

Gumby•8/30/24, 10:56 AM

There’s always one lol.

I genuinely don’t understand all the “mechanics” regarding this sort of thing. I’m just thinking:

1) if my Rhino can move all around from blade flap, buffeting, crashes and anything else;

And

2) DCS can show, via the controls indicator, what the other multicrew pilot’s inputs are;

Then

3) is there something that can or cannot allow that data being shown, in the controls indicator, to be exported to the FFB function in the Rhino?

In my case i alrrady have bass Shakers to inform me if i am for example near stall, so if i get it

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