apologies, i misunderstood the thread of convo 🙏
apologies, i misunderstood the thread of convo 
ANo worries
SDo you have the MFG V3?
SI don't have the design expertise or even a 3D printer to adapt Hiob's design for the V3
HI‘m on it!
SOh hell yeah!
AWinwing skywalker
GBumping this^^^
I still think it’d be an awesome implementation.
Regarding potential injury, the stick can jump around just as much from the FFB when you crash or do a hard landing, so what’s the difference?
I still think it’d be an awesome implementation.
Regarding potential injury, the stick can jump around just as much from the FFB when you crash or do a hard landing, so what’s the difference?
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SOMG that would make teaching SOOOO much better!! Being able to follow along with the student's inputs and feel exactly how much they overcontrol XD
GThere’s that, plus handing over controls would be more seamless. Instead of having to enable and look at controls indicator then matching then requesting control, you could just grab the stick wherever it is and request control
AMhhh, an internet controllable multi axis moveable actiuator that can vibrate which sits between your legs. I wonder what alternative uses people might come up with? Mighh be a whole new world of enthousiasts for this! 
GThere’s always one lol.
I genuinely don’t understand all the “mechanics” regarding this sort of thing. I’m just thinking:
1) if my Rhino can move all around from blade flap, buffeting, crashes and anything else;
And
2) DCS can show, via the controls indicator, what the other multicrew pilot’s inputs are;
Then
3) is there something that can or cannot allow that data being shown, in the controls indicator, to be exported to the FFB function in the Rhino?
I genuinely don’t understand all the “mechanics” regarding this sort of thing. I’m just thinking:
1) if my Rhino can move all around from blade flap, buffeting, crashes and anything else;
And
2) DCS can show, via the controls indicator, what the other multicrew pilot’s inputs are;
Then
3) is there something that can or cannot allow that data being shown, in the controls indicator, to be exported to the FFB function in the Rhino?
SExactly. And with the ME set to "Equally Responsible" the handoff is instant both ways. Would really cut down on the Woh Boy
GRight. Because you either enable the control indicator and try to match, or you ride the roller coaster lol
SAnd I don't like having magic UI like that up soo...Buckel Up!!
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Bheh back in the late 90s we joked about the downfall of civilization because people would never leave the house and stop having babies because of this tech. My friend coined the term 'teledildonics' for such tech
JGot a nice package of parts this morning, just waiting on the other package. Going to be a long weekend
AThrustmaster will be puzzled about the curious new grips with warthog connector that might hit the market if this thing flies in certain circles.
SIs it possible to shorten the stem of the Rhino base connector, or is it mechanically required to be long?
SI'm thinking since I will be installing a metal threaded connector, I may as well print a shorter underlying stem for easier sidestick use.
D@Hiob has a stubby version of the stick connector STL that he posted recently, probably in the diy-builds channel. I plan to use it soon, but you should ask him how it is to operate.
AWhy as a side stick?
HWhat do you mean, how to operate?
It is one piece opposed to the two piece assembly of the Rhino, about 6cm shorter effectively IIRC. The only thing you have to take into account is, that the thread connector sits on the hight of the throw limiter. So the throw is limited even further unless you modify the throw limiter and make it wider (which is no problem though).
A FFB as a sidestick is a soso idea in my opinion as well. Every Aircraft that REALLY profits big time from FFB (warbirds, helicopters, steam punk) has a central mounted stick with s long throw. Sidesticks are only found in FBW jets like the F-16 or A320. If asked, I wouldn‘t recommend it.
But of course everybody is free to do as he likes!
It is one piece opposed to the two piece assembly of the Rhino, about 6cm shorter effectively IIRC. The only thing you have to take into account is, that the thread connector sits on the hight of the throw limiter. So the throw is limited even further unless you modify the throw limiter and make it wider (which is no problem though).
A FFB as a sidestick is a soso idea in my opinion as well. Every Aircraft that REALLY profits big time from FFB (warbirds, helicopters, steam punk) has a central mounted stick with s long throw. Sidesticks are only found in FBW jets like the F-16 or A320. If asked, I wouldn‘t recommend it.
But of course everybody is free to do as he likes!
DI said how it is to operate, not how to operate it. Which you answered.
H
HI don’t use it as an overall „short“ stick though, but to try to keep the total length at bay while using a 20cm gooseneck extension.
DGood point, I guess that's my plan too. Just shorten overall length a bit to prevent my 200mm s-curve extension from being too much. A shorty sidestick is another beast altogether. I had originally planned on buying a MOZA (which is a "stubby" already), but changed my mind as I learned more about my options.
HDepending on how your extension is build, you can shorten that too. Mine was a bent aluminium tube with some machined parts that were screwed in with two screws each. I just disassembled it, cut the tube 15mm on one end (as much as possible before the curve), drilled a new hole and reassembled.
SThis looks like the solution for me! Maybe I need to edit it a little bit so it is not exactly threads hitting the throw limiter, but a tiny bit below them. Do you mind sharing the file?
SI swap between side stick and centerstick. Mainly cockpit reasons for side stick. Irrelevant however: easier to add extensions when you need length for the center stick. Problems with height emerge when mounting a taller stick on the side-stick-mounted OG Rhino. So I'd rather address that, looks like it is @Hiob to the rescue!
HI can give you the STL (sorry, I have no parametric cad file for it), but I think I made it as short as possible without compromising any function or strength.
HI can give you a file for a one-piece throw limiter as well….
SThis little DIY helps with adjusting the table clamp between centre and side position. The wheels are lockable from Monstertech chair spares. (The clamp above provides the most stability, this is just support and oscillation block. The desk moves up and down, this is also why this adjustment with scissor-lab-equipment was needed.)
SAwesome, STL is already great!
Ssaved me a ton of time
SI'm curious if you had a phase in your project saved while it was still a two-piece solution like the OG Rhino?
I ask because I already have the metal connector from Walmis, so I might as well rather attach it to a version of a shorter stem (your stubby project).
I ask because I already have the metal connector from Walmis, so I might as well rather attach it to a version of a shorter stem (your stubby project).
HThat‘s the problem, the metal connector is connected via a square-tube insert in the stem. In order to give it enough strength the gimbal part needs to be a certain length. Or in other words, if you want it shorter a meaningful amount, you HAVE to make it a single piece.
H…but yeah, I probably have the STLs of an in between step somewhere - need to search for it
Sah I see, makes sense, got it now
Sawesome, shoot it when you stumble upon it, no rush 
WYes it's possible to shorten the stem. The stock Rhino has 20mm square aluminum tube of 100mm length. It's possible to swap out a shorter one of the desired size (though the leather part might need tweaking for a shorter stem). If you need one, you can shoot me a DM, we could make a custom one
HI wasn’t aware that the square tube in the stock Rhino is longer than in the Kit by Winger. Interesting. The more you know….
SThat's superb. 
I'll reach out with the measurements when I get back, travelling now so don't have access to the beloved Rhino.
I'll reach out with the measurements when I get back, travelling now so don't have access to the beloved Rhino.![SR-F_Winger_[73]_David](https://cdn.discordapp.com/avatars/98037306870472704/f924b51d2e4486c1eb873c2f4fb7f6a3.webp?size=40)
SYep. I Made it intentional shorter to have the User steer height via extension
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Hgood call!