I like MFG, but I prefer Winwing because of the ability to quickly remove the spring. this is huge f
I like MFG, but I prefer Winwing because of the ability to quickly remove the spring. this is huge for helo pilots.
Aparticularly when you fly fixed wing as well
Xi think Winwing might not fit into 50cm space I have (
but if you already have pedals itself, adding ffb is nobrainer there, the cost is not that big tbh
but if you already have pedals itself, adding ffb is nobrainer there, the cost is not that big tbh
Xspeaking of spring, with FFB pedals you can do that on fly in software (remove spring), @Hiob can assert on that more as I’m not that qualified with pedals
SHow much easier is it to remove on the WW? The MFG isn't hard to remove
Xwith ffb it should as quick as profile swap / move slider I guess )
HWell the FFB mod for the Crosswinds, there is no need anymore to remove the spring. Just have different profiles set for different Aircraft or change the setting on the fly.
HIn fact the spring needs to be removed for the mod.
A5 seconds
CShould take about the same time to remove the MFG. But as Hiob said that's one of the benefits of the FFB mod.
AThere is no “spring” in FFB pedals (in fact, the conversion mod removes the spring). It’s entirely controlled in software. With TelemFFB there wouldn’t be any config to change between aircraft, you would just setup the pedals the way you want it to feel, and then everytime you fly that aircraft telemffb sets it up for you
AYeah I know how FFB works ;). This was more of a cost-benefit question it will probably cost 300-350 to convert
HThat‘s about right. More if you can’t print yourself and need a service, It‘s definitely enthusiast level stuff.
AI can print, and design parts
Aapologies, i misunderstood the thread of convo 
ANo worries
SDo you have the MFG V3?
SI don't have the design expertise or even a 3D printer to adapt Hiob's design for the V3
HI‘m on it!
SOh hell yeah!
AWinwing skywalker
GBumping this^^^
I still think it’d be an awesome implementation.
Regarding potential injury, the stick can jump around just as much from the FFB when you crash or do a hard landing, so what’s the difference?
I still think it’d be an awesome implementation.
Regarding potential injury, the stick can jump around just as much from the FFB when you crash or do a hard landing, so what’s the difference?
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SOMG that would make teaching SOOOO much better!! Being able to follow along with the student's inputs and feel exactly how much they overcontrol XD
GThere’s that, plus handing over controls would be more seamless. Instead of having to enable and look at controls indicator then matching then requesting control, you could just grab the stick wherever it is and request control
AMhhh, an internet controllable multi axis moveable actiuator that can vibrate which sits between your legs. I wonder what alternative uses people might come up with? Mighh be a whole new world of enthousiasts for this! 
GThere’s always one lol.
I genuinely don’t understand all the “mechanics” regarding this sort of thing. I’m just thinking:
1) if my Rhino can move all around from blade flap, buffeting, crashes and anything else;
And
2) DCS can show, via the controls indicator, what the other multicrew pilot’s inputs are;
Then
3) is there something that can or cannot allow that data being shown, in the controls indicator, to be exported to the FFB function in the Rhino?
I genuinely don’t understand all the “mechanics” regarding this sort of thing. I’m just thinking:
1) if my Rhino can move all around from blade flap, buffeting, crashes and anything else;
And
2) DCS can show, via the controls indicator, what the other multicrew pilot’s inputs are;
Then
3) is there something that can or cannot allow that data being shown, in the controls indicator, to be exported to the FFB function in the Rhino?
SExactly. And with the ME set to "Equally Responsible" the handoff is instant both ways. Would really cut down on the Woh Boy
GRight. Because you either enable the control indicator and try to match, or you ride the roller coaster lol
SAnd I don't like having magic UI like that up soo...Buckel Up!!
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Bheh back in the late 90s we joked about the downfall of civilization because people would never leave the house and stop having babies because of this tech. My friend coined the term 'teledildonics' for such tech
JGot a nice package of parts this morning, just waiting on the other package. Going to be a long weekend
AThrustmaster will be puzzled about the curious new grips with warthog connector that might hit the market if this thing flies in certain circles.
SIs it possible to shorten the stem of the Rhino base connector, or is it mechanically required to be long?
SI'm thinking since I will be installing a metal threaded connector, I may as well print a shorter underlying stem for easier sidestick use.
D@Hiob has a stubby version of the stick connector STL that he posted recently, probably in the diy-builds channel. I plan to use it soon, but you should ask him how it is to operate.
AWhy as a side stick?
HWhat do you mean, how to operate?
It is one piece opposed to the two piece assembly of the Rhino, about 6cm shorter effectively IIRC. The only thing you have to take into account is, that the thread connector sits on the hight of the throw limiter. So the throw is limited even further unless you modify the throw limiter and make it wider (which is no problem though).
A FFB as a sidestick is a soso idea in my opinion as well. Every Aircraft that REALLY profits big time from FFB (warbirds, helicopters, steam punk) has a central mounted stick with s long throw. Sidesticks are only found in FBW jets like the F-16 or A320. If asked, I wouldn‘t recommend it.
But of course everybody is free to do as he likes!
It is one piece opposed to the two piece assembly of the Rhino, about 6cm shorter effectively IIRC. The only thing you have to take into account is, that the thread connector sits on the hight of the throw limiter. So the throw is limited even further unless you modify the throw limiter and make it wider (which is no problem though).
A FFB as a sidestick is a soso idea in my opinion as well. Every Aircraft that REALLY profits big time from FFB (warbirds, helicopters, steam punk) has a central mounted stick with s long throw. Sidesticks are only found in FBW jets like the F-16 or A320. If asked, I wouldn‘t recommend it.
But of course everybody is free to do as he likes!
DI said how it is to operate, not how to operate it. Which you answered.
H
HI don’t use it as an overall „short“ stick though, but to try to keep the total length at bay while using a 20cm gooseneck extension.
DGood point, I guess that's my plan too. Just shorten overall length a bit to prevent my 200mm s-curve extension from being too much. A shorty sidestick is another beast altogether. I had originally planned on buying a MOZA (which is a "stubby" already), but changed my mind as I learned more about my options.
HDepending on how your extension is build, you can shorten that too. Mine was a bent aluminium tube with some machined parts that were screwed in with two screws each. I just disassembled it, cut the tube 15mm on one end (as much as possible before the curve), drilled a new hole and reassembled.
SThis looks like the solution for me! Maybe I need to edit it a little bit so it is not exactly threads hitting the throw limiter, but a tiny bit below them. Do you mind sharing the file?
SI swap between side stick and centerstick. Mainly cockpit reasons for side stick. Irrelevant however: easier to add extensions when you need length for the center stick. Problems with height emerge when mounting a taller stick on the side-stick-mounted OG Rhino. So I'd rather address that, looks like it is @Hiob to the rescue!
HI can give you the STL (sorry, I have no parametric cad file for it), but I think I made it as short as possible without compromising any function or strength.
HI can give you a file for a one-piece throw limiter as well….