imo, good. opengl tends to bring down apis like this nowadays
imo, good. opengl tends to bring down apis like this nowadays
Athe biggest pain point in GRABS is the opengl backend as well
TFair
TBit sad for older hardware though
Lanything which supports a new enough GL to support the API's features also supported D3D11/12 or VK
Lit was seen as a losing battle to support GL
TI have a friend with a laptop that's not too old (8th gen Intel iirc?) that doesn't support Vulkan rendering
Only OpenGL..
Only OpenGL..
Ayeah, there's generally no reason to support opengl anymore unless you target like 3.3 which means you miss out on a lot of features (assuming you don't target extensions, but even then)
Lyeah i saw that
i use glsl through glslc in my code
i use glsl through glslc in my code
Athe only reason i support it is because i'm literally too lazy to learn vulkan
Ayeah fair enough, think i will try the same
ISounds like I made the right choice diving right into Vulkan based on what I'm seeing here
Lfor beginners gl will be a lot of graceful of a learning experience
Aand literally, my only other gripes with the api are:
- lack of adapter enumeration (that i can see)
- no manual present, it just feels weird although genuinely not a massive deal
- weird namespacing although this is more of an sdl3 thing as a whole, made it a bit of a pain to find functions i needed
other than that it's pretty damn sound
TOpenGL is becoming more and more deprecated
TGood, because it's not good
TSo it's also nice that new GPU wrapper apis are finally starting to sprout a lot now
Li honestly didnt even notice the lack of present until you mentioned it
Ayeah. imo if you want to learn a graphics api that isn't a layer on top of other apis, then d3d11 is by far the best, unless you need cross platform
but otherwise, yeah webgpu or the new sdl api is def the way to go unless you really want to learn vulkan
but otherwise, yeah webgpu or the new sdl api is def the way to go unless you really want to learn vulkan
Afairs, never really considered that you don't actually really need a present function lol
Lgod bindless d3d12 is so nice though
need that on linux please and thank you
need that on linux please and thank you
Almfao
G:copium_truck1::copium_truck2::copium_truck3:
Ai was actually looking into maybe using vkd3d earlier today, any idea how good its support on linux is? i know it supports wine but it seems to have a native version too
Aand now that dx12 will be officially supporting spir-v, seems like it could be perfect
Li couldnt figure out how to hook up vkd3d natively
Aah
Ahm, that's a shame, might take a look as well at some point but yea i couldn't find much on it either when i looked
Ai technically don't need to cause i'm still stuck on windows so i can use d3d12 natively, but linux support is a must
IGenuine question, I get Vulkan is complex (I hate it half the time myself), I'm curious why D3D is still a major thing? Just more support or?
Ad3d generally has a much nicer api, much less verbose and has fantastic performance
Athe last point was much more relevant in the d3d11 vs opengl days, as ms purposefully nerfed performance of opengl
Abut is still somewhat relevant now as d3d12 is still easier and less verbose than vulkan, therefore requires less "effort" to get running well
ILike MS intentionally made OpenGL run worse on Windows or something?
Ayep, at least that's what i've heard
Aand i've seen it first hand
II.. wouldn't put that past Microsoft
IThey totally would do that
IIt's so technical I doubt anyone'd notice
Awhen you push opengl a bit, stuff that would run at 120fps on linux ran at like 60 (or less) on windows lol
TOh I've experienced that first hand with my game engine(s)
Ayep. i'm pretty sure ms did purposefully nerf performance of opengl to make dx look better
TMean
Aalthough with that being said dx generally has favourable performance even vs vulkan as vulkan is generally harder to get performing well
TMeancrosoft
II was bouncing around the idea on whether or not I should support D3D as well as Vulkan in this project but I'm still mixed about the idea given it'd be windows only
TI have never cared one bit for DX, as I've always felt that cross-platform support is important
Ayou would also get xbox support
Aalthough whether that is relevant or not is up to you. imo xbox will be pretty much dead in the waters by the next generation
Athat may seem harsh but the disparity between the ps5 and xbox series x s series whatever idk what the names even are is quite large
IAs much as I'm trying to not use platform specific code (which so far I've kept it up), consoles as a whole seem very anti-developer