Looks like a chunk of people just dropped out again, after getting on the list in march I just got m
Looks like a chunk of people just dropped out again, after getting on the list in march I just got my email notification. 
MSo, when I ask the info bot right now, I'm seeing my Assigned S/N has changed from #907 to #800 and I don't see a count for how many Rhinos to go before mine, is this normal? Seeing that Rhino #731 has shipped, does this mean I'm now 69 units away? Woohoo!
MPlease confirm!
Wi think it's 69 or less, so good for you!
SHow many numbers ahead of you now? I am trying to figure out when to expect my "Pay Now" email.
WAs MajorDad said above, the bot doesn’t show how many in front once you get the notification, but I was at 179 two days ago and I’ve initially been assigned number 0795
SMy latest number assignment is only about 12 above yours. You've got the pay notice, right?
WCurrently I have the order form with the Rhino and accessories on it, but I’m not sure what I need for throw limiter.
Currently I have a Virpil CM3 with the 200mm extension and the Z-extension on top of that, that deflection amount works fine for me, but I don’t know if the 11 degree one will give me a similar deflection if I put a 100-120mm extension on the Rhino.
If anyone knows so I can ask for a different size limiter that would be great. I just got a 3D printer though so I wonder can I make my own?
Currently I have a Virpil CM3 with the 200mm extension and the Z-extension on top of that, that deflection amount works fine for me, but I don’t know if the 11 degree one will give me a similar deflection if I put a 100-120mm extension on the Rhino.
If anyone knows so I can ask for a different size limiter that would be great. I just got a 3D printer though so I wonder can I make my own?
FYou can definitely diy a limiter
FAlso keep in mind the rhino has like 5 to 10cm longer throw than most bases
DWalmis shared a parametric OnShape throw limiter design here. Just type in the 4 throw numbers you want for deflection in each direction and then export as STL for printing. Really nice. https://discord.com/channels/965234441511383080/1092338475795238962
DI went with +/-10 for roll, and +/-14 for pitch, with the equivalent of a 120mm extension. Seems OK so far, but I can always print another later. YMMV.
DVKB grip/
WI know, that’s why it’ll be a 100-120mm extension on the Rhino compared to about 210mm on my Virpil. Or thereabouts.
WOh excellent, no idea how to use OnShape but I’ll look into it, cheers.
NPSA for anyone who joined the FS2024 tech alpha… (with TelemFFB running)..keep a firm grip on your stick at all times 
WOh, got some glitchyness with the telemetry output? Or just the initial load into a flight when the plane is put onto the ground? It’s different to FS2020?
NThings seem to work generally fine so far as the simconnect comms go. It’s more telemetry flowing at unexpected times (like the plane keeps flying in the background..and crashing…after finishing a career mission).
WAsobo, gotta love their wonky nonsense. 
I have enough of that with Sim Shaker making a big bang through my transducers when going in and out of a flight session. Don’t suppose there’s a way for TelemFFB to sense when the sim is in a flight session and only output when it is to avoid that with the Rhino or do you think it’s not possible in that particularly situation?
I have enough of that with Sim Shaker making a big bang through my transducers when going in and out of a flight session. Don’t suppose there’s a way for TelemFFB to sense when the sim is in a flight session and only output when it is to avoid that with the Rhino or do you think it’s not possible in that particularly situation?NI’m sure we’ll figure out how to track the state variables and how they are different than 2020, but I’m not really going to dig into it much until after it is officially released.
MThe bot doesn't show me how many in front of me anymore, but I still haven't received a payment notice or any kind of email.
WWell what I got wasn’t a payment notice, just the order form to pick what you want along with the Rhino, payment notification will come at some point. You should have the order form email soon I would have thought.
Aapparently razer have released a haptic seat
AI would be very interested in VPForce Tapeworm to buzz my butt, with a cutout for a center stick and all VPForce software
DThat would seem to be a natural future add-on feature for VPForce to consider. I already own Simshaker's software that works well with a few bolt-on transducers and an amp. But it would be great to be able to access all the same seat effects via a single piece of software running, instead of two separate ones for stick and seat. I guess it would need additional I/O on the board? IDK.
DWhat's the consensus of moza base vs a diy rhino? I'm looking for people that own both
DI have an (EXTREMELY) sturdy table that I plan to mount things too
DI'm mainly concerned about software on the moza but not the rhino
DI have all the hardware minus the motors for the diy rhino I'm just unsure since the moza came out when my hardware arrived
NThere is a massive difference between a FFB device and a bass shaker devices software. The fact that they take their cues from the same telemetry source is literally the only thing they have in common. One is a library of analog sound wave files that excite a transducer. The other is communicating via API to a USB device to induce various periodic effects that get generated by the motors.
HThere will be very little people if any that have both devices. Personally I built a DIY-Rhino from a Kit and rebuilt it a couple of times for individual mods.
From some Videos online that showed insides of the Moza, I can only come to the conclusion that it is inferior. 1. It has no active cooling and there seem to be no thermal coupling to the metal case. 2. One of the motors isn’t attched to the case but to the gimbal. (Which is a shortcut). So you nove the whole motor around which adds inertia to one of the two axis but not the other…..
3. The software and support will definitely be inferior to what is offered here.
Just my 2C
From some Videos online that showed insides of the Moza, I can only come to the conclusion that it is inferior. 1. It has no active cooling and there seem to be no thermal coupling to the metal case. 2. One of the motors isn’t attched to the case but to the gimbal. (Which is a shortcut). So you nove the whole motor around which adds inertia to one of the two axis but not the other…..
3. The software and support will definitely be inferior to what is offered here.
Just my 2C
DI probably will just build a rhino then
HI can’t tell if that is the reasonable thing to do for you. It is pricey and DIY isn’t for everyone. I certainly enjoyed the process and am enjoying the final product. And my judgment of the Moza is strictly subjective opinion based on assumptions.
Ayeah I'd very much like to know how the moza handles heat from prolonged stress, but without testing it's impossible to really say, it might be totally fine indefinitely
Athe inertia of the motor hanging on the gimbal can theoretically be mitigated by clever use of the other motor
DI already have all the parts
DScrews
DIt's more of a Matter of finding the time
DOnly thing I don't have is motors and a place to mount lol
DI could always turn the force down on the moza
HThat would eat away some of its capacity. Regarding the heat, when the Moza produces the same amount of torque (which it does by the specs) it will produce roughly the same amount of waste heat, no way around that. Given that it not even has ventilation slots…..
AI share your assesment, but until someone tests it, it's just guesstimation
Amaybe they use superconducting materials or perhaps it runs on fairy dust and produces no heat
Aor does fairy dust produce heat
Aand yes compensating for the motor's inertia takes some power, but again the question is how much and of how much
DIn theory couldn't I just turn the force down to half?
HYeah, less power less heat, but that would contradict its purpose wouldn’t it?
The problem with the Moza is that (so far) all „tests“ seem to be sponsored. At least I haven’t seen an independent (and competent) test yet.
The problem with the Moza is that (so far) all „tests“ seem to be sponsored. At least I haven’t seen an independent (and competent) test yet.
Asponsor me a moza base and I'll do a sponsored test
HYeah, me too! 
SI have an issue with the VPForce in MSFS. It feels like the FFB is inverted? You need alot of power to overcome the centre but not alot of force as you put more input in so I end up having hyper unstable planes that only like full ffb inputs.
WHello guys! Just wondering is it possible to use the rhino base as a collective for helis?
