Hi, has anyone a fix for my problem. Build a collective and an Rudder with the big 86BLF04 . First I

Hi, has anyone a fix for my problem. Build a collective and an Rudder with the big 86BLF04 . First I had no FFB Effekts but the spring effect was perfect over the whole travel. No I changed the normal settings above, now I get FFB in Flight, but I have a big deadzone without resistance . Even Steps are not counted in that area. The dead zone is not in the middle, but at the position the collective or rudder is at the moment and you start the movement.

HHenning Piez Hi, has anyone a fix for my problem. Build a collective and an Rudder with the b...

Hiob•10/13/24, 7:04 PM

When you have no position readings of the motors - have you checked the hardware? Maybe the pulley came loose on the motor axis.

Hiob•10/13/24, 7:05 PM

For all I can say, wether the application FFB works properly or not. The raw readings in VP config should show the slightest movement.

Number481•10/13/24, 7:12 PM

At the risk of asking stupid questions…did you calibrate the axes in configurator?

NNumber481 At the risk of asking stupid questions…did you calibrate the axes in configurato...

Henning PiezOP•10/13/24, 7:23 PM

I did and steps are also at 2048 in mid position

HHiob When you have no position readings of the motors - have you checked the hardware...

Henning PiezOP•10/13/24, 7:25 PM

Piñon is perfect mounted at the motor. When power is of, cogging is in the full travel. Strange is that both devices has exactly the same behavior

HHenning Piez Piñon is perfect mounted at the motor. When power is of, cogging is in the full...

Hiob•10/13/24, 7:32 PM

Hmm, maybe check the gain map for issues.... other than that no ideas at the moment

ionutned•10/13/24, 7:41 PM

Hey everyone, for the last few days I've had problems with my rhino in DCS, when either the roll axis or both are not generating any force. When I exit DCS it goes back to spring mode and becomes alive. Everything looks ok in the configurator, so it doesn't seem like a hardware/firmware issue, it's just in game. It used to just work, not sure what happened. I think the only thing I changed was the telemffb update.
Has anyone had similar issues?

Iionutned Hey everyone, for the last few days I've had problems with my rhino in DCS, when...

Number481•10/13/24, 7:47 PM

To rule out any of the override features you may have inadvertently enabled, does the same happen without TelemFFB running? Remember that the spring effect is part of the native sim implementation, not TelemFFB.

HHenning Piez I did and steps are also at 2048 in mid position

Number481•10/13/24, 7:48 PM

The blue dot does not smoothly follow the axis as you move it through the range of motion? A short clip showing the configurator window as your moving the axis might shed some light.

NNumber481 To rule out any of the override features you may have inadvertently enabled, doe...

ionutned•10/13/24, 7:52 PM

yes, the same happens once I start DCS, with or without TelemFFB. What override features are you referring to?

Iionutned yes, the same happens once I start DCS, with or without TelemFFB. What override ...

Number481•10/13/24, 7:58 PM

There’s the general spring override, there are configurator gain overrides, etc.

Are you by chance using SimHaptic?

NNumber481 There’s the general spring override, there are configurator gain overrides, etc....

ionutned•10/13/24, 8:00 PM

Not using simhaptic.
The thing is I haven't changed anything in the settings recently, so I can't imagine it's related. I can only thing of either the telemffb update and dcs update

Number481•10/13/24, 8:06 PM

Like I said, TelemFFB doesn’t do anything with the spring and obviously if it’s not running, it’s not doing anything at all.

Did you double check FFB didn’t disable itself in DCS?

What specifically are you flying?

NNumber481 The blue dot does not smoothly follow the axis as you move it through the range ...

Henning PiezOP•10/13/24, 8:29 PM

TeleFFB is off and I have that problem. Blue dot is not moving when starting the movement until the Force starts. Pinion is perfectly mounted for sure. We are speaking of only the standby behaviour at the moment. In Xplane the deadzone is the same... I upload a video now. Feels like there is an encoder plate loose and giving no signal.... But on two motors and controllers at the same way. Independent Controller, independent Power Supply.

Henning PiezOP•10/13/24, 8:30 PM

Henning PiezOP•10/13/24, 8:31 PM

Number481•10/13/24, 8:40 PM

When you run the auto calibrate, does the dot move the full range of the axis?

Henning PiezOP•10/13/24, 8:43 PM

Reseted Config… same Problem

Henning PiezOP•10/13/24, 8:45 PM

Sorry

Henning PiezOP•10/13/24, 8:45 PM

Pinions on Rudder and Collective were loose the same time

Henning PiezOP•10/13/24, 8:50 PM

When Power was of, the cogging was on the complete travel, so I thought the pinions are ok...

Number481•10/13/24, 8:54 PM

It happens

HHenning Piez Pinions on Rudder and Collective were loose the same time 😟

Hiob•10/13/24, 9:07 PM

see

that was an educated guess from experience!

Henning PiezOP•10/13/24, 9:12 PM

20 Years of being a field service engineer teached me to be sceptical when an error is the same on two units.... But it learned me also never trust new spare parts.... even after changing two times , both spare parts can be broken :-9

NNumber481 Like I said, TelemFFB doesn’t do anything with the spring and obviously if it’s ...

ionutned•10/13/24, 9:37 PM

there's a "force feedback" checkbox in dcs, if that's what you mean. I tried both f-18 and f-16. The strange thing is that sometimes the pitch axis does work, without any changes to anything.

HHenning Piez 20 Years of being a field service engineer teached me to be sceptical when an er...

Hiob•10/13/24, 9:43 PM

The Rhino is first a machine designed to shake itself apart and second a fun input device.

The loose pinion gear wasn’t the last thing I had to retighten and fixate with loctide.

HHiob The Rhino is first a machine designed to shake itself apart and second a fun inp...

Henning PiezOP•10/13/24, 9:47 PM

Ok, Now I understand the name "joystick"

HHiob The Rhino is first a machine designed to shake itself apart and second a fun inp...

Bob Bushman•10/13/24, 11:27 PM

I mounted a couple of transducers to a recliner once for movie watching.

It was potent but cheap kit, it could make the 80lbs chair rattle across the floor like an old nokia phone would across a glass table.

With my 200lbs butt sitting in it.

And the chair was just shaken beyond function in a matter of months.

CoolHand•10/14/24, 12:06 AM

Hey all, I'm new to this joystick and having issues with the AH64. When I force trim it snaps the stick almost all the way to the right. I have the special settings to INSTANT TRIM and the pedals to WITHOUT SPRINGS AND FFB

CoolHand•10/14/24, 12:24 AM

Ah I figured it out. The "swap axis" box was checked, which inhibited it form working.

CCoolHand Ah I figured it out. The "swap axis" box was checked, which inhibited it form wo...

Number481•10/14/24, 12:27 AM

As a rule, to ensure a proper experience:

Make sure the axes directions are set correctly in configurator such that the position dot follow the stick inputs correctly. This ensures that “FFB direction” and “axis direction” are in sync.
don’t use curves in DCS axis settings
don’t use saturation in DCS axis settings

H. Bear•10/15/24, 5:32 AM

G'day @walmis , unfortunately my WinWing adapter snapped at the threaded collar.
Could you let me know how to get another or if there's an stl I can try to print a replacement.
#VPF-0702
Cheers.

H. Bear•10/15/24, 5:32 AM

PiNKSH!T•10/15/24, 9:32 AM

@walmis sorry to ping you, but just about to use my rhino in a dcs op first time since the recalibration you did. Is it ok for me to import & apply old config profiles or will that break the new calibration you did on the x motor?

PPiNKSH!T @walmis sorry to ping you, but just about to use my rhino in a dcs op first time...

Hiob•10/15/24, 9:46 AM

I don't know of course what Walmis did with your motor, but in general the auto calibration in the VP config is supposed to be a user level exercise that can (and must) be performed whenever you change something, like installing a throw limiter, change or re-tighten the belts etc.
So I think it is save to say, that you certainly won't break anything if you do a calibration. Just look at the monitor in the config tab and see if everything is properly centered. Otherwise do a calibration.

HHiob I don't know of course what Walmis did with your motor, but in general the auto ...

PiNKSH!T•10/15/24, 9:48 AM

Nah walmis did some sort of motor recalibration. It all looked like ancient runes & magic to me