Hi there, My vpp rhino won't update via web. It connects but never shows as connected so i cannot

Hi there,

My vpp rhino won't update via web. It connects but never shows as connected so i cannot update fw.

Any ideas? i've tried different browsers and though the joystick is detected it wont actually connect.

TTAGE Hi there, My vpp rhino won't update via web. It connects but never shows as co...

Hiob•10/26/24, 6:49 PM

Did you click on connect?

TAGEOP•10/26/24, 6:49 PM

yes. lol ofc.

TAGEOP•10/26/24, 6:50 PM

it just does not actually connectbut if I use the previous version the VPForce app it works perfectly, it works in game and everything as well

TAGEOP•10/26/24, 6:50 PM

the joystick is working everywhere but the browsers, remember i tried different ones and they all fail the same way

TAGEOP•10/26/24, 6:51 PM

and i know com port passthrough is working in browsers because other apps and hardware that use webflashers work perfectly.

TAGEOP•10/26/24, 6:55 PM

and nvm

TAGEOP•10/26/24, 6:55 PM

it just worked after connecting reconnecting a few times

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(41F) RAFAIR Dave H•10/26/24, 8:40 PM

@walmis is it possible to buy the cable from the joystick to the controller board separately as I’ve managed to trap and damage mine

hectik•10/26/24, 10:29 PM

Someone refresh my memory. When you go to https://vpforce.eu/usb/rhino/ and click 'connect', is that pink dot then supposed to move when your stick does? Mine doesn't, and I feel like it did a day or two ago. I'll add that it doesn't move even if the Configurator program isn't open, because I think I remember that you can only be connected to either one at a time.

Wwalmis I'll kindly ask to fill out the buttons that correspond to hats, You can fill di...

Naoki_NT3•10/27/24, 7:00 AM

I tried a new beta firmware, but my old Virgil MongooseT50 is not supported yet. I already sent you requested information. Could you update firmware for it?

Qqwatch2000 I’ve been reading through the old posts about the F4 pitch up issue and checking...

Hiob•10/27/24, 10:20 AM

Hey, just retested with all the latest software updates. With FFB enabled and use of Rhino Stick and Pedals, I experience no issue. The Phantom trims just fine for level flight. Here are my settings:

Hiob•10/27/24, 10:20 AM

Major_Fault•10/27/24, 9:53 PM

Hi guys, I am using the Constellation Alpha on the Rhino, all works well BUT the Joystick "joystick hat "on the stick. Any hints how I can map this correctly (shows as hat 4 - always diagonal left up)

MMajor_Fault Hi guys, I am using the Constellation Alpha on the Rhino, all works well BUT the...

Number481•10/27/24, 11:55 PM

I have an Alpha Prime and a Non-Prime(L), both work fine. Did you make sure to calibrate the x/y for the thumbstick?

NNumber481 I have an Alpha Prime and a Non-Prime(L), both work fine. Did you make sure to ...

Major_Fault•10/27/24, 11:57 PM

Yes I did, also used recenter, but somehow it is not working. It only works down and left it seems, but at default its hows as it is pushed.
Iu se3ed the claibration and recenter in the config tool. Will try again tomorrow. But I was wondering if I have to "activate" it somewhere. The other 3 hats work fine.

Number481•10/28/24, 12:02 AM

the other 3 hats are actual buttons. The "button's" for the mini-stick are virtual buttons that get activated when the stick exceeds some (unknown to me) threshold. If you are calibrated correctly and seeing full excursion of the axis positions for Rx/Ry, IDK what else could be wrong.

Major_Fault•10/28/24, 12:04 AM

I'll take a screenshot tomorrow and share. Thanks for the help. If I remember correctly it was all maxed out all the time, but I will check after work.

amadeus•10/28/24, 3:30 AM

Maybe the calibration wasn’t stored on device?

CapnFlint•10/28/24, 7:58 PM

I'm using the Rhino, 200mm Extension, VKB MCG Pro. I seem to be having an issue that my X center position is always about -040 to -050 output value. I've added a balance spring, I've recalibrated a bunch of times and I'm still stuck. And the slight induced roll is kindof a pain. Any ideas?

CapnFlint•10/28/24, 8:10 PM

Is there a way to set the current position as the 0 position?

CapnFlint•10/28/24, 8:11 PM

CapnFlint•10/28/24, 8:12 PM

CCapnFlint I'm using the Rhino, 200mm Extension, VKB MCG Pro. I seem to be having an issue ...

Number481•10/28/24, 8:14 PM

I'd be curious, as a test, if you un-tick damper, friction and inertia (and apply), do you see proper centering?

CCapnFlint Is there a way to set the current position as the 0 position?

Hiob•10/28/24, 8:20 PM

I would suggest to manually overwrite (don’t forget to apply and save) the calibration values to bring the center where it is supposed to be. I‘d recommend to either increase the lower value or decrease the higher value, depending on which side you want to go.

NNumber481 I'd be curious, as a test, if you un-tick damper, friction and inertia (and appl...

CapnFlint•10/28/24, 8:22 PM

Maybe better, but still -20s to -40s even with 40% balance spring

HHiob I would suggest to manually overwrite (don’t forget to apply and save) the calib...

CapnFlint•10/28/24, 8:23 PM

So just add 40 to my "X:min 572" value?

Hiob•10/28/24, 8:24 PM

Prob half or double that. Just try. It‘s not dangerous if you keep the increments small.

CapnFlint•10/28/24, 8:27 PM

Okay, that seems to be working pretty well

CCapnFlint Okay, that seems to be working pretty well

Hiob•10/28/24, 8:30 PM

Problem is that the system is elastic. Depending on the force you apply at each endpoint the mid point can be a bit off. Add an unsymmetrical weight distribution of the grip or an angled offset to this and you have some deviation.

CCapnFlint Maybe better, but still -20s to -40s even with 40% balance spring

Number481•10/28/24, 8:38 PM

Gotcha... if the deviation is always to one side, its probably not related.

Was asking since your damper and friction are higher than I normally see/use. The spring effect is very weak near center so it might not be strong enough (even with adaptive recentering) to overcome those.

In the new firmware/configurator you can actually set gain curves for those effects too.. you could reduce the friction/damper near center to make it easier for the spring effect to find center.

NNumber481 Gotcha... if the deviation is always to one side, its probably not related. Was...

Hiob•10/28/24, 8:42 PM

Or make the spring curve a bit steeper around the middle. That increases overall strength though, so you might wanna reduce spring gain a bit.

Number481•10/28/24, 8:46 PM

Yep.. that too. Was dangerous in 1.0.16 because it was easy to induce instability if you got very sharp around center. This is the spring gain map on my collective spring in 1.0.17 (for when collective force trim is active). Feels like a rock when the spring is active

Hiob•10/28/24, 8:47 PM

Well!

I had a bit less in mind…..

Number481•10/28/24, 8:48 PM

just sayin... the stability enhancements in 1.0.17 are legit

NNumber481 the other 3 hats are actual buttons. The "button's" for the mini-stick are virt...

Major_Fault•10/28/24, 9:00 PM

thats the thumb stick with no input.

Major_Fault•10/28/24, 9:01 PM

the WIN10 Tool for gamecontrollers also collects the same info. I am wondering if the thumbstick is maybe damaged ... ?

MMajor_Fault thats the thumb stick with no input.

Number481•10/28/24, 9:21 PM

thats pretty strange. The axis numbers in the green box seem to agree with the hat position being triggered (both full up/left). Do they change when you mvoe the axis? What about the raw values in the red box?

Major_Fault•10/28/24, 9:23 PM

Raw Value on thumb X is:770 full left, 237 full right.
Raw Value on thumb Y is: 218 max down and 734 max up BUT diagonally up right is like 754.
Something is messed up ... push thumb is button 5 ,,,#

NNumber481 just sayin... the stability enhancements in 1.0.17 are legit 🙂

Reed•10/28/24, 9:23 PM

will this also be more stable with the cyclic, to increase the strength of the center, where ever it is when using force trim?

MMajor_Fault Raw Value on thumb X is:770 full left, 237 full right. Raw Value on thumb Y is: ...

Major_Fault•10/28/24, 9:32 PM

Solved after some tinkering: ok .. I reset all settings and also the win10 (reset to standard NOT calibrate) config. then calibrated in VPForce FFB COnfigurator and send to device and it now works -.....

Yeti•10/28/24, 11:30 PM

I just got my rhino, and it's great to feel the ffb. I was wondering if anyone has settings they like for MSFS and DCS helos (uh60, oh58, bell 407). The trim doesn't seem to really hold its position well and sometimes the aircraft will flip right away if I start with the aircraft running. I have been reading through the manual, but I'm not really sure if I have something on or off that I shouldn't.

YYeti I just got my rhino, and it's great to feel the ffb. I was wondering if anyone ...

Hiob•10/29/24, 6:24 AM

For the trim to hold well (assuming you are talking about Helicopters), you need to play around with friction settings. For helicopters in general I would recommend to use very light spring (or none) and more friction and damping (and a bit of inertia) to give the stick the right „feeling“. And personally I use the hardware enabled trim function of the VP software rather than in-game force trim.

HHiob For the trim to hold well (assuming you are talking about Helicopters), you need...

tanr•10/29/24, 4:00 PM

Been tweaking settings for a helicopter config myself. Using a both friction and damping, with a little spring. I've been playing with the DCS OH-58D Kiowa and having fun with it. Using its force trim seems to work fine. I'd like to understand why you recommend using the hardware enabled trim vs the in-game force trim - for spring centering or something else?

Ttanr Been tweaking settings for a helicopter config myself. Using a both friction an...

Hiob•10/29/24, 4:05 PM

Just for convenience. This way I have a reliable always consistent function for all helicopter modules and don't need to rely on the implementation in the module itself. For example I didn't even noitce that there were initial problems with the FFB implementation of the Chinook. Worked like charm from day one for me.

Reed•10/29/24, 4:10 PM

I tend to use ingame ffb now with tweaks in teleffb per aircraft. My 58 flies different than my oh-6 and 60

Bruh'gdan•10/29/24, 4:23 PM

Somethings very wrong with this setup ... Motors start randomly, most of the times at the first plugin, then if i unplug they wont start.
PCB Interface wont work most of the times - buttons not recognized etc
what t he hell is wrong ?

BBruh'gdan Somethings very wrong with this setup ... Motors start randomly, most of the tim...

TheAmazinGreat•10/29/24, 4:28 PM

Have you tried loading the default rhino profile?

Bruh'gdan•10/29/24, 4:29 PM

jup...nothing happens. The motor issue i assume its the Capacitors of the PSU still having some undervoltage, but too less.
The 5 pin WinWing Adapter, well wired like here, not working:

Bruh'gdan•10/29/24, 4:37 PM

and after pressing the E-Stop, nothing will start up...

Bruh'gdan•10/29/24, 4:38 PM

so for now, sorry to say, this is a expensive piece of trash :/

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