I'm using the Rhino, 200mm Extension, VKB MCG Pro. I seem to be having an issue that my X center pos

I'm using the Rhino, 200mm Extension, VKB MCG Pro. I seem to be having an issue that my X center position is always about -040 to -050 output value. I've added a balance spring, I've recalibrated a bunch of times and I'm still stuck. And the slight induced roll is kindof a pain. Any ideas?

CapnFlintOP•10/28/24, 8:10 PM

Is there a way to set the current position as the 0 position?

CapnFlintOP•10/28/24, 8:11 PM

CapnFlintOP•10/28/24, 8:12 PM

CCapnFlint I'm using the Rhino, 200mm Extension, VKB MCG Pro. I seem to be having an issue ...

Number481•10/28/24, 8:14 PM

I'd be curious, as a test, if you un-tick damper, friction and inertia (and apply), do you see proper centering?

CCapnFlint Is there a way to set the current position as the 0 position?

Hiob•10/28/24, 8:20 PM

I would suggest to manually overwrite (don’t forget to apply and save) the calibration values to bring the center where it is supposed to be. I‘d recommend to either increase the lower value or decrease the higher value, depending on which side you want to go.

NNumber481 I'd be curious, as a test, if you un-tick damper, friction and inertia (and appl...

CapnFlintOP•10/28/24, 8:22 PM

Maybe better, but still -20s to -40s even with 40% balance spring

HHiob I would suggest to manually overwrite (don’t forget to apply and save) the calib...

CapnFlintOP•10/28/24, 8:23 PM

So just add 40 to my "X:min 572" value?

Hiob•10/28/24, 8:24 PM

Prob half or double that. Just try. It‘s not dangerous if you keep the increments small.

CapnFlintOP•10/28/24, 8:27 PM

Okay, that seems to be working pretty well

CCapnFlint Okay, that seems to be working pretty well

Hiob•10/28/24, 8:30 PM

Problem is that the system is elastic. Depending on the force you apply at each endpoint the mid point can be a bit off. Add an unsymmetrical weight distribution of the grip or an angled offset to this and you have some deviation.

CCapnFlint Maybe better, but still -20s to -40s even with 40% balance spring

Number481•10/28/24, 8:38 PM

Gotcha... if the deviation is always to one side, its probably not related.

Was asking since your damper and friction are higher than I normally see/use. The spring effect is very weak near center so it might not be strong enough (even with adaptive recentering) to overcome those.

In the new firmware/configurator you can actually set gain curves for those effects too.. you could reduce the friction/damper near center to make it easier for the spring effect to find center.

NNumber481 Gotcha... if the deviation is always to one side, its probably not related. Was...

Hiob•10/28/24, 8:42 PM

Or make the spring curve a bit steeper around the middle. That increases overall strength though, so you might wanna reduce spring gain a bit.

Number481•10/28/24, 8:46 PM

Yep.. that too. Was dangerous in 1.0.16 because it was easy to induce instability if you got very sharp around center. This is the spring gain map on my collective spring in 1.0.17 (for when collective force trim is active). Feels like a rock when the spring is active

Hiob•10/28/24, 8:47 PM

Well!

I had a bit less in mind…..

Number481•10/28/24, 8:48 PM

just sayin... the stability enhancements in 1.0.17 are legit

NNumber481 the other 3 hats are actual buttons. The "button's" for the mini-stick are virt...

Major_Fault•10/28/24, 9:00 PM

thats the thumb stick with no input.

Major_Fault•10/28/24, 9:01 PM

the WIN10 Tool for gamecontrollers also collects the same info. I am wondering if the thumbstick is maybe damaged ... ?

MMajor_Fault thats the thumb stick with no input.

Number481•10/28/24, 9:21 PM

thats pretty strange. The axis numbers in the green box seem to agree with the hat position being triggered (both full up/left). Do they change when you mvoe the axis? What about the raw values in the red box?

Major_Fault•10/28/24, 9:23 PM

Raw Value on thumb X is:770 full left, 237 full right.
Raw Value on thumb Y is: 218 max down and 734 max up BUT diagonally up right is like 754.
Something is messed up ... push thumb is button 5 ,,,#

NNumber481 just sayin... the stability enhancements in 1.0.17 are legit 🙂

Reed•10/28/24, 9:23 PM

will this also be more stable with the cyclic, to increase the strength of the center, where ever it is when using force trim?

MMajor_Fault Raw Value on thumb X is:770 full left, 237 full right. Raw Value on thumb Y is: ...

Major_Fault•10/28/24, 9:32 PM

Solved after some tinkering: ok .. I reset all settings and also the win10 (reset to standard NOT calibrate) config. then calibrated in VPForce FFB COnfigurator and send to device and it now works -.....

Yeti•10/28/24, 11:30 PM

I just got my rhino, and it's great to feel the ffb. I was wondering if anyone has settings they like for MSFS and DCS helos (uh60, oh58, bell 407). The trim doesn't seem to really hold its position well and sometimes the aircraft will flip right away if I start with the aircraft running. I have been reading through the manual, but I'm not really sure if I have something on or off that I shouldn't.

YYeti I just got my rhino, and it's great to feel the ffb. I was wondering if anyone ...

Hiob•10/29/24, 6:24 AM

For the trim to hold well (assuming you are talking about Helicopters), you need to play around with friction settings. For helicopters in general I would recommend to use very light spring (or none) and more friction and damping (and a bit of inertia) to give the stick the right „feeling“. And personally I use the hardware enabled trim function of the VP software rather than in-game force trim.

HHiob For the trim to hold well (assuming you are talking about Helicopters), you need...

tanr•10/29/24, 4:00 PM

Been tweaking settings for a helicopter config myself. Using a both friction and damping, with a little spring. I've been playing with the DCS OH-58D Kiowa and having fun with it. Using its force trim seems to work fine. I'd like to understand why you recommend using the hardware enabled trim vs the in-game force trim - for spring centering or something else?

Ttanr Been tweaking settings for a helicopter config myself. Using a both friction an...

Hiob•10/29/24, 4:05 PM

Just for convenience. This way I have a reliable always consistent function for all helicopter modules and don't need to rely on the implementation in the module itself. For example I didn't even noitce that there were initial problems with the FFB implementation of the Chinook. Worked like charm from day one for me.

Reed•10/29/24, 4:10 PM

I tend to use ingame ffb now with tweaks in teleffb per aircraft. My 58 flies different than my oh-6 and 60

Bruh'gdan•10/29/24, 4:23 PM

Somethings very wrong with this setup ... Motors start randomly, most of the times at the first plugin, then if i unplug they wont start.
PCB Interface wont work most of the times - buttons not recognized etc
what t he hell is wrong ?

BBruh'gdan Somethings very wrong with this setup ... Motors start randomly, most of the tim...

TheAmazinGreat•10/29/24, 4:28 PM

Have you tried loading the default rhino profile?

Bruh'gdan•10/29/24, 4:29 PM

jup...nothing happens. The motor issue i assume its the Capacitors of the PSU still having some undervoltage, but too less.
The 5 pin WinWing Adapter, well wired like here, not working:

Bruh'gdan•10/29/24, 4:37 PM

and after pressing the E-Stop, nothing will start up...

Bruh'gdan•10/29/24, 4:38 PM

so for now, sorry to say, this is a expensive piece of trash :/

TheAmazinGreat•10/29/24, 4:48 PM

What does the debug tab show? Are you hearing beeps from the board when applying power? What power supply are you using? Have you checked supply voltage?

BBruh'gdan Somethings very wrong with this setup ... Motors start randomly, most of the tim...

TheAmazinGreat•10/29/24, 5:03 PM

The numbers on the left side in this picture is what mine looks like when it has been powered on and then off. Vbus is showing 0.02V so looks like a power supply issue to me.

TTheAmazinGreat The numbers on the left side in this picture is what mine looks like when it ha...

Bruh'gdan•10/29/24, 5:06 PM

thats what i am assuming aswell. PSU is
https://www.amazon.de/dp/B07WJTBF9R

GC PRO Netzteil für Dell Latitude E5510 E7240 E7440 Alienware 13 14...

GC PRO Netzteil für Dell Latitude E5510 E7240 E7440 Alienware 13 14 15 M14x M15x R1 R2 R3 Laptop Ladegerät inkl. Stromkabel (19.5V 9.23A 180W)

BBruh'gdan so for now, sorry to say, this is a expensive piece of trash :/

Bruh'gdan•10/29/24, 5:06 PM

i might be the trash aswell

BBruh'gdan thats what i am assuming aswell. PSU is https://www.amazon.de/dp/B07WJTBF9R

TheAmazinGreat•10/29/24, 5:10 PM

How have you wired the power to the main board?

Bruh'gdan•10/29/24, 5:29 PM

PSU + -> E-Stop C pin
E-Stop NC -> Board +
PSU - -> Board -

Bruh'gdan•10/29/24, 5:30 PM

and the PSU, I assume is AC

TheAmazinGreat•10/29/24, 5:48 PM

If you have a multimeter you could check voltage at the board to make sure you are getting 19.5V to the input terminals. Careful poking around with the probes not to short anything.

Reed•10/29/24, 7:09 PM

having issues since latest update virpil alpha grip constellation. button 18 is now pressed when buttons 19 and 20 are pressed. i didnt have this yesterday before lstest update. @walmis

Zuger•10/29/24, 10:04 PM

Hi. I am connecting F-14 VKB grip to the blackbox through adapter. VKB device config says it needs to calibrate controler, but nothing happens afterwards. Any ideas what am I doing wrong? Also, it shows grip as "VKB sim gunfighter vintage"

ZZuger Hi. I am connecting F-14 VKB grip to the blackbox through adapter. VKB device co...

Col. Sanders•10/29/24, 10:09 PM

Need to click default to reset the grip type. Calibrate by clicking and moving all the buttons then end the calibration. Should be good to go. I switch between the mgcu, f-14 and KG12 grips.

Zuger•10/29/24, 10:11 PM

May I ask, where is this "default"?

Col. Sanders•10/29/24, 10:13 PM

Vkb software should be a big red button on the left in the tools tab.

Zuger•10/29/24, 10:18 PM

Went through all of the buttons, ended calibration. Still no success, no buttons seams to work in test tab

Zuger•10/29/24, 10:19 PM

It's weird, because the app recognized stick in "external devices" as the KG12 grip, altough i have F-14

Col. Sanders•10/29/24, 10:28 PM

Make sure you click up above in the box the grip name. Then click the default it will reset it to show the F14 grip and prompt the calibration.

Zuger•10/29/24, 10:30 PM

I have selected it, but after clicking default it stays the same

Zuger•10/29/24, 10:34 PM

It prompts calibration, but finishing it doesn't do anything

Col. Sanders•10/29/24, 10:35 PM

Try updating the firmware.

I'm using the Rhino, 200mm Extension, VKB MCG Pro. I seem to be having an issue that my X center pos

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