I mean if 4 motors were driven at balls to the wall at 30 amp each you would be pushing over 120 amp

I mean if 4 motors were driven at balls to the wall at 30 amp each you would be pushing over 120 amps. Most people in rural areas have a 100 amp service coming to their homes. If someone had a 200 amp service (I have a 400 coming into my house) then technically you would need 40 AMP dedicated circuits. The next option would be to go to 220V to cut the AMPs in half. This is why it doesn't make sense to me. The output on the motor may deliver 30A but what is the required input? Is there any rectification happening etc..

HH145Rotor-Sims I mean if 4 motors were driven at balls to the wall at 30 amp each you would be ...

Everwake•11/27/24, 2:34 AM

30A is in 24v no? So max of 720w per motor, or 6.5A in 110v. Probably still more than anyone needs? At those amps overheating seems guaranteed

EEverwake 30A is in 24v no? So max of 720w per motor, or 6.5A in 110v. Probably still mor...

H145Rotor-SimsOP•11/27/24, 2:36 AM

This would make more sense, I have 120v coming in aka if the motors draw a peak of 720w then that is 6A in my case. I could always clamp on my amp meter and check while the motor is running as well

HH145Rotor-Sims This would make more sense, I have 120v coming in aka if the motors draw a peak ...

Everwake•11/27/24, 2:44 AM

Do you know how much pedal pressure should me present? I would think it is less in a helicopter than an old propeller plane? Maybe the momentary amps turn out to be a non-issue?

EEverwake Do you know how much pedal pressure should me present? I would think it is less ...

H145Rotor-SimsOP•11/27/24, 2:49 AM

Well I fly an H145 which has an AFCS so never really facing the true force especially with 2 hydraulic systems. I've flown old Cessna 182s in real life which is mechanical cable system so you feel the forces. There is a difference in different aircraft so I can't really tell you. I remember the feel of a 182 so when I had brunner pedals I set it to the way it felt to me closest in real life.

HH145Rotor-Sims Well I fly an H145 which has an AFCS so never really facing the true force espec...

Everwake•11/27/24, 2:51 AM

Good thing is you then have a frame of reference for the pedal feel you want, so if it is not enough, getting another psu is quite easy

EEverwake Good thing is you then have a frame of reference for the pedal feel you want, so...

H145Rotor-SimsOP•11/27/24, 2:52 AM

This is true but I haven't flown an H145. I asked an engineer who works on the aircraft. He will tell me what the force would be both on/off the afcs required

Mike T•11/27/24, 5:48 AM

Just remind me……if I order a motor from the VP Force website, how do I select that I want a pitch version……can’t see where you select that option?
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MMike T Just remind me……if I order a motor from the VP Force website, how do I select th...

walmis•11/27/24, 8:33 AM

You can swap it in software later, currently there's no need for any specific motor ID

HH145Rotor-Sims Yeah I saw the there are 3 outputs per power supply. Wiring is bit of my thing b...

walmis•11/27/24, 8:37 AM

Single motor can draw up to 160-180W roughly, also important to note thatmotor amps != PSU ampsmotor amps != PSU amps since the motor windings operate at low voltages.
Single Meanwell 350W handles joystick + pedals just fine

Wwalmis Single motor can draw up to 160-180W roughly, also important to note that`motor ...

Hiob•11/27/24, 8:37 AM

...and not even breaks sweat.

Hiob•11/27/24, 8:38 AM

aka the fan doesn't even spin up for the most part....

walmis•11/27/24, 8:46 AM

There's also this interesting relationship between torque/amps produced and power consumed / heat generated:

HH145Rotor-Sims Would the MEAN WELL LRS-350-24 be enough to power x4 86 series motors? Or wo...

Fierce_Fire•11/27/24, 12:59 PM

2 max, i use one psu for 2 86 motors, but dont know how maxed out the supply is

Wwalmis Single motor can draw up to 160-180W roughly, also important to note that`motor ...

H145Rotor-SimsOP•11/27/24, 1:00 PM

Thank you!

Fierce_Fire•11/27/24, 1:01 PM

And if i may ask, in what situation do you expect to max out both axis of the joystick, and the pedals, and the collective

Fierce_Fire•11/27/24, 1:01 PM

So although maybe not great, 1 psu is probably fine

HH145Rotor-Sims The Meanwell LRS-350-24 has a max output of 14.6 amps @ 24 VDC. The motor output...

Hiob•11/27/24, 1:30 PM

Don't confuse the motor amps (which aren't applied continously and at different voltages) with the current that is drawn from the PSU. You can actually see it in the VP config where the values for max motor amps and max PSU amps are seperate and the latter is usually way below <4. Something around 6 is plenty for a single motor.
I know I'm not the first to point that out to you, but I think it could help spread awareness and understanding for people that may drop by here.

Regarding the 15A Meanwell. A collective and Rudder Pedals (in a Helicopter) will never actually draw max current. And you can limit the allowed amount in the config. I'd say it is pretty unlikely, that a 4 motor setup will pull max current for each motor at the same time.
I wouldn't worry to drive 4 motors from a single PSU and just limit the max allowed amps per motor/device accordingly.

HHiob Don't confuse the motor amps (which aren't applied continously and at different ...

H145Rotor-SimsOP•11/27/24, 2:12 PM

Thank you, to be safe I'm going to use one psu for rhino monster and the 2nd to drive pedals and Collective. I'll set the psu amps in VP for 12 amps to give me headroom. I'll wire up the power supplies each with a 12awg power cord.

YunacPL•11/27/24, 3:55 PM

@walmis I have no clue what have you done but in latest firmware you have fixed all my disconnecting issues when using higher spring force . Fantastic job! Thank You!

CalVRsimer•11/27/24, 6:29 PM

What value do you guys use for the pot_1, I'm at 70%, is that ok?

Reed•11/27/24, 6:53 PM

CCalVRsimer What value do you guys use for the pot_1, I'm at 70%, is that ok?

Hiob•11/27/24, 6:59 PM

First of all, what have you assigned to the Poti? Most people probably assign Master Gain or Spring Gain. But why would you default it to anything else than 100? doesn’t make much sense to me…..
I would see the poti as a tool to reduce forces on the fly, if I feel the need.

Reed•11/27/24, 9:49 PM

Spring gain for me

Reed•11/27/24, 9:49 PM

Rarely adjust it

HHiob First of all, what have you assigned to the Poti? Most people probably assign Ma...

Simonster83•11/28/24, 6:52 AM

I've set it to 70% master gain when playing DCS. With 100% there was some creaking noises coming from the adapters/base (I'm using 150mm extension and WW adapter + grip) and I was worried something might break. In MSFS I use 80-90%, because you usually get the max forces only in high airspeed situations.

SSimonster83 I've set it to 70% master gain when playing DCS. With 100% there was some creaki...

Hiob•11/28/24, 7:24 AM

I see. Personally I would rather create dedicated profiles and let them load by TelemFFB.
So but your real questions boils down than to „how are your gain settings for DCS“, no?
Because ultimately it doesn’t matter if you achieve your effective gain by poti or by any other setting.
The math is „effects settings or game“ times „master gain“ times „master spring gain“ times „potentiometer“. So if either one of those is set to 20% e.g. the overall maximum gain is 20%.
I choose spring as an example here, because that is really the only one you need to worry about, because it causes by far the biggest forces.
I have set Master Gain to 100% all the time but (Settings-)Spring Gain is usually at around 50% with a slightly steepend curve (would translate to something like 60-70% with a straight curve).
Have a look one the telemetry and check how many amps are drawn at max reflection. it doesn’t make much sense if you reach the maximum before reaching the end of throw.
My Potentiometers (I have two) are set to Spring and Friction and usually only use them on helicopters to fine tune the cyclic.

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HHiob I see. Personally I would rather create dedicated profiles and let them load by ...

asut•11/28/24, 10:49 AM

Maybe you can share you profile for fixed wing plane, please.

Aasut Maybe you can share you profile for fixed wing plane, please.

Hiob•11/28/24, 10:54 AM

I don’t think that would be of much value to you since every setup is different (extension length, grip type, upper body strength and preference), but I outlined my approach to get to a good basis setup here:

📃general

Hiob•11/28/24, 10:59 AM

Hiob•11/28/24, 11:00 AM

Those are my basic settings for fixed wing. Mind that Static force and balancing spring are very specific to my grip and extension.

Hiob•11/28/24, 11:01 AM

I put a slight curve to the spring gain to make the spring a bit more responsive towards the middle position. Works better imho than the "adaptive recentering" alone.

HHiob Those are my basic settings for fixed wing. Mind that Static force and balancing...

asut•11/28/24, 12:00 PM

Thank you, and what about spring dynamics? You use it?

Aasut Thank you, and what about spring dynamics? You use it?

Hiob•11/28/24, 12:22 PM

What do you mean? You mean Static vs. Dynamic Spring in TelemFFB?

Hiob•11/28/24, 12:22 PM

I use dynamic spring usually. (aka spring forces are controlled by the game)

Aasut Thank you, and what about spring dynamics? You use it?

Hiob•11/28/24, 12:23 PM

Ah, you mean the option in VP config…. no I don’t use that.

HHiob Ah, you mean the option in VP config…. no I don’t use that.

asut•11/28/24, 12:24 PM

Yeah, that's right, I got it.

walmis•11/28/24, 2:23 PM

Testing a GIM8108-8 1:8 gear motor with VPforce controller:
Pros:
Lots of torque at 1Nm/A
Cons:
Noisy, sounds like a stepper motor. But the feel isn't too bad.

walmis•11/28/24, 2:23 PM

According to datasheet it can peak at about 22Nm

walmis•11/28/24, 2:24 PM

I managed to break the lever arm at 10Nm

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Arno•11/28/24, 2:30 PM

I think something like that is on the roll axis of my flitesim.com yoke. slight cogging.

Arno•11/28/24, 2:31 PM

they use the xiaomi cybergear I think

walmis•11/28/24, 2:32 PM

yeah it's very similar to this one

yzhanping•11/28/24, 2:34 PM

CalVRsimer•11/28/24, 6:23 PM

Is there a good tutorial video on how to properly set the different trim functionality the Rhino has to offer?
I see video showcasing the trim but nothing on how to properly set it up, thanks!

B34ker•11/28/24, 6:42 PM

Anyone know how to properly setup the Trim Following and/or AP following in MSFS 2024?

I tried the trim following feature in the 172, configuring it as described in the manual, until the trim causes no change in the pitch (at cruise speed, with no spring and high damper)… then when I turn on the AP, it can’t hold level flight, and just pitches up and down continuously… is there something I missed in configuration steps? Right now, I can only get it to fly normally with AP by turning both Trim and AP following off.

CCalVRsimer Is there a good tutorial video on how to properly set the different trim functio...

Hiob•11/28/24, 7:28 PM

Just the same as you would in the sim. Press the function you want to assign and then press the button you want it assigned too. There is force trim release, reset and directional trim. With the first button, you press and hold to move the stick around and it will stay where you release the button again, with the second button you reset that trimmed position to the physical neutral point again. the other four are classical trim buttons which will increment offset the stick in the according direction. Usually though, those functions will be provided by the sim and you don’t need to apply the option in the config. But it can be necessary or preferable occasionally. I mostly (exclusively actually) use them for cyclic trim in helicopters.

I mean if 4 motors were driven at balls to the wall at 30 amp each you would be pushing over 120 amp

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