Good thing is you then have a frame of reference for the pedal feel you want, so if it is not enough
Good thing is you then have a frame of reference for the pedal feel you want, so if it is not enough, getting another psu is quite easy
HThis is true but I haven't flown an H145. I asked an engineer who works on the aircraft. He will tell me what the force would be both on/off the afcs required 
MJust remind me……if I order a motor from the VP Force website, how do I select that I want a pitch version……can’t see where you select that option?
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WYou can swap it in software later, currently there's no need for any specific motor ID 
WSingle motor can draw up to 160-180W roughly, also important to note that
Single Meanwell 350W handles joystick + pedals just fine
motor amps != PSU amps since the motor windings operate at low voltages.Single Meanwell 350W handles joystick + pedals just fine
H...and not even breaks sweat.
Haka the fan doesn't even spin up for the most part....
WThere's also this interesting relationship between torque/amps produced and power consumed / heat generated:
F2 max, i use one psu for 2 86 motors, but dont know how maxed out the supply is
HThank you!
FAnd if i may ask, in what situation do you expect to max out both axis of the joystick, and the pedals, and the collective
FSo although maybe not great, 1 psu is probably fine
HDon't confuse the motor amps (which aren't applied continously and at different voltages) with the current that is drawn from the PSU. You can actually see it in the VP config where the values for max motor amps and max PSU amps are seperate and the latter is usually way below <4. Something around 6 is plenty for a single motor.
I know I'm not the first to point that out to you, but I think it could help spread awareness and understanding for people that may drop by here.
Regarding the 15A Meanwell. A collective and Rudder Pedals (in a Helicopter) will never actually draw max current. And you can limit the allowed amount in the config. I'd say it is pretty unlikely, that a 4 motor setup will pull max current for each motor at the same time.
I wouldn't worry to drive 4 motors from a single PSU and just limit the max allowed amps per motor/device accordingly.
I know I'm not the first to point that out to you, but I think it could help spread awareness and understanding for people that may drop by here.
Regarding the 15A Meanwell. A collective and Rudder Pedals (in a Helicopter) will never actually draw max current. And you can limit the allowed amount in the config. I'd say it is pretty unlikely, that a 4 motor setup will pull max current for each motor at the same time.
I wouldn't worry to drive 4 motors from a single PSU and just limit the max allowed amps per motor/device accordingly.
HThank you, to be safe I'm going to use one psu for rhino monster and the 2nd to drive pedals and Collective. I'll set the psu amps in VP for 12 amps to give me headroom. I'll wire up the power supplies each with a 12awg power cord.
Y@walmis I have no clue what have you done but in latest firmware you have fixed all my disconnecting issues when using higher spring force . Fantastic job! Thank You!
CWhat value do you guys use for the pot_1, I'm at 70%, is that ok?
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HFirst of all, what have you assigned to the Poti? Most people probably assign Master Gain or Spring Gain. But why would you default it to anything else than 100? doesn’t make much sense to me…..
I would see the poti as a tool to reduce forces on the fly, if I feel the need.
I would see the poti as a tool to reduce forces on the fly, if I feel the need.
RSpring gain for me
RRarely adjust it
SI've set it to 70% master gain when playing DCS. With 100% there was some creaking noises coming from the adapters/base (I'm using 150mm extension and WW adapter + grip) and I was worried something might break. In MSFS I use 80-90%, because you usually get the max forces only in high airspeed situations.
HI see. Personally I would rather create dedicated profiles and let them load by TelemFFB.
So but your real questions boils down than to „how are your gain settings for DCS“, no?
Because ultimately it doesn’t matter if you achieve your effective gain by poti or by any other setting.
The math is „effects settings or game“ times „master gain“ times „master spring gain“ times „potentiometer“. So if either one of those is set to 20% e.g. the overall maximum gain is 20%.
I choose spring as an example here, because that is really the only one you need to worry about, because it causes by far the biggest forces.
I have set Master Gain to 100% all the time but (Settings-)Spring Gain is usually at around 50% with a slightly steepend curve (would translate to something like 60-70% with a straight curve).
Have a look one the telemetry and check how many amps are drawn at max reflection. it doesn’t make much sense if you reach the maximum before reaching the end of throw.
My Potentiometers (I have two) are set to Spring and Friction and usually only use them on helicopters to fine tune the cyclic.
So but your real questions boils down than to „how are your gain settings for DCS“, no?
Because ultimately it doesn’t matter if you achieve your effective gain by poti or by any other setting.
The math is „effects settings or game“ times „master gain“ times „master spring gain“ times „potentiometer“. So if either one of those is set to 20% e.g. the overall maximum gain is 20%.
I choose spring as an example here, because that is really the only one you need to worry about, because it causes by far the biggest forces.
I have set Master Gain to 100% all the time but (Settings-)Spring Gain is usually at around 50% with a slightly steepend curve (would translate to something like 60-70% with a straight curve).
Have a look one the telemetry and check how many amps are drawn at max reflection. it doesn’t make much sense if you reach the maximum before reaching the end of throw.
My Potentiometers (I have two) are set to Spring and Friction and usually only use them on helicopters to fine tune the cyclic.
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AMaybe you can share you profile for fixed wing plane, please.
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HThose are my basic settings for fixed wing. Mind that Static force and balancing spring are very specific to my grip and extension.
HI put a slight curve to the spring gain to make the spring a bit more responsive towards the middle position. Works better imho than the "adaptive recentering" alone.
AThank you, and what about spring dynamics? You use it?
HWhat do you mean? You mean Static vs. Dynamic Spring in TelemFFB?
HI use dynamic spring usually. (aka spring forces are controlled by the game)
HAh, you mean the option in VP config…. no I don’t use that.
AYeah, that's right, I got it.
WTesting a GIM8108-8 1:8 gear motor with VPforce controller:
Pros:
Lots of torque at 1Nm/A
Cons:
Noisy, sounds like a stepper motor. But the feel isn't too bad.
Pros:
Lots of torque at 1Nm/A
Cons:
Noisy, sounds like a stepper motor. But the feel isn't too bad.
WAccording to datasheet it can peak at about 22Nm
WI managed to break the lever arm at 10Nm 
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AI think something like that is on the roll axis of my flitesim.com yoke. slight cogging.
Athey use the xiaomi cybergear I think
Wyeah it's very similar to this one
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CIs there a good tutorial video on how to properly set the different trim functionality the Rhino has to offer?
I see video showcasing the trim but nothing on how to properly set it up, thanks!
I see video showcasing the trim but nothing on how to properly set it up, thanks!
BAnyone know how to properly setup the Trim Following and/or AP following in MSFS 2024?
I tried the trim following feature in the 172, configuring it as described in the manual, until the trim causes no change in the pitch (at cruise speed, with no spring and high damper)… then when I turn on the AP, it can’t hold level flight, and just pitches up and down continuously… is there something I missed in configuration steps? Right now, I can only get it to fly normally with AP by turning both Trim and AP following off.
I tried the trim following feature in the 172, configuring it as described in the manual, until the trim causes no change in the pitch (at cruise speed, with no spring and high damper)… then when I turn on the AP, it can’t hold level flight, and just pitches up and down continuously… is there something I missed in configuration steps? Right now, I can only get it to fly normally with AP by turning both Trim and AP following off.
HJust the same as you would in the sim. Press the function you want to assign and then press the button you want it assigned too. There is force trim release, reset and directional trim. With the first button, you press and hold to move the stick around and it will stay where you release the button again, with the second button you reset that trimmed position to the physical neutral point again. the other four are classical trim buttons which will increment offset the stick in the according direction. Usually though, those functions will be provided by the sim and you don’t need to apply the option in the config. But it can be necessary or preferable occasionally. I mostly (exclusively actually) use them for cyclic trim in helicopters.
DHave you set bindings in MSFS? Have you set the "hardware trim" option in VP configurator? TELEMFFB configured? If so, then you should be able to trim your plane/helicopter.
I haven't tried all models, but most are ok with these options (msfs). For DCS, you have native FFB (for certain machine models).
I haven't tried all models, but most are ok with these options (msfs). For DCS, you have native FFB (for certain machine models).
DAh little edit: the pitch trim seems not as good (bug?) as lateral (yaw) trim. I noticed this on the H145/160 but it wasn't obvious. Maybe server bugs (???)
DOh, and check for double bindings. Some devices have preconfigured bindings (honeycomb) and you might be bothered by that.
DAnd check Hiob's above post
Nwhat number did you end up at? Cruising at 110kt the default Physical=%100, Virtual=%20 seems pretty close already. You have to add a bunch of trim to get the nose to move significantly while holding the stick in a static position.
The AP seems to be behaving fine as well.
Do make sure you don't have axis bindings configured in the sim (or other external tool like SPAD). TelemFFB needs to be the sole source of the axis position to MSFS for things to work right.
The AP seems to be behaving fine as well.
Do make sure you don't have axis bindings configured in the sim (or other external tool like SPAD). TelemFFB needs to be the sole source of the axis position to MSFS for things to work right.