Would the MEAN WELL LRS-350-24 be enough to power x4 86 series motors? Or would I need two or ev
Would the MEAN WELL LRS-350-24 be enough to power x4 86 series motors? Or would I need two or even 3?
HI'm not sure exactly how many amps each motor draws at full load
FI'd get at least two just in case. Then you can test. They have connections to power 3 boards in one. If it can handle it then you can have a backup PSU
HYeah I saw the there are 3 outputs per power supply. Wiring is bit of my thing being a fire system engineer & a licensed electrician 
. @walmis What is the current draw of the 86BLF04?
. @walmis What is the current draw of the 86BLF04?FI believe it's limited to 30amps. At least that's what I see in the config.
HThe Meanwell LRS-350-24 has a max output of 14.6 amps @ 24 VDC. The motor output is 36A but I don't think anyone is using 36A
FRight. In the config it's set to 30A max
HThen you would need a power supply that is capable above with a safety margin
HI mean if 4 motors were driven at balls to the wall at 30 amp each you would be pushing over 120 amps. Most people in rural areas have a 100 amp service coming to their homes. If someone had a 200 amp service (I have a 400 coming into my house) then technically you would need 40 AMP dedicated circuits. The next option would be to go to 220V to cut the AMPs in half. This is why it doesn't make sense to me. The output on the motor may deliver 30A but what is the required input? Is there any rectification happening etc..
E30A is in 24v no? So max of 720w per motor, or 6.5A in 110v. Probably still more than anyone needs? At those amps overheating seems guaranteed
HThis would make more sense, I have 120v coming in aka if the motors draw a peak of 720w then that is 6A in my case. I could always clamp on my amp meter and check while the motor is running as well
EDo you know how much pedal pressure should me present? I would think it is less in a helicopter than an old propeller plane? Maybe the momentary amps turn out to be a non-issue?
HWell I fly an H145 which has an AFCS so never really facing the true force especially with 2 hydraulic systems. I've flown old Cessna 182s in real life which is mechanical cable system so you feel the forces. There is a difference in different aircraft so I can't really tell you. I remember the feel of a 182 so when I had brunner pedals I set it to the way it felt to me closest in real life.
EGood thing is you then have a frame of reference for the pedal feel you want, so if it is not enough, getting another psu is quite easy
HThis is true but I haven't flown an H145. I asked an engineer who works on the aircraft. He will tell me what the force would be both on/off the afcs required
MJust remind me……if I order a motor from the VP Force website, how do I select that I want a pitch version……can’t see where you select that option?
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WYou can swap it in software later, currently there's no need for any specific motor ID 
WSingle motor can draw up to 160-180W roughly, also important to note that
Single Meanwell 350W handles joystick + pedals just fine
motor amps != PSU ampsSingle Meanwell 350W handles joystick + pedals just fine
H...and not even breaks sweat.
Haka the fan doesn't even spin up for the most part....
WThere's also this interesting relationship between torque/amps produced and power consumed / heat generated:
F2 max, i use one psu for 2 86 motors, but dont know how maxed out the supply is
HThank you!
FAnd if i may ask, in what situation do you expect to max out both axis of the joystick, and the pedals, and the collective
FSo although maybe not great, 1 psu is probably fine
HDon't confuse the motor amps (which aren't applied continously and at different voltages) with the current that is drawn from the PSU. You can actually see it in the VP config where the values for max motor amps and max PSU amps are seperate and the latter is usually way below <4. Something around 6 is plenty for a single motor.
I know I'm not the first to point that out to you, but I think it could help spread awareness and understanding for people that may drop by here.
Regarding the 15A Meanwell. A collective and Rudder Pedals (in a Helicopter) will never actually draw max current. And you can limit the allowed amount in the config. I'd say it is pretty unlikely, that a 4 motor setup will pull max current for each motor at the same time.
I wouldn't worry to drive 4 motors from a single PSU and just limit the max allowed amps per motor/device accordingly.
I know I'm not the first to point that out to you, but I think it could help spread awareness and understanding for people that may drop by here.
Regarding the 15A Meanwell. A collective and Rudder Pedals (in a Helicopter) will never actually draw max current. And you can limit the allowed amount in the config. I'd say it is pretty unlikely, that a 4 motor setup will pull max current for each motor at the same time.
I wouldn't worry to drive 4 motors from a single PSU and just limit the max allowed amps per motor/device accordingly.
HThank you, to be safe I'm going to use one psu for rhino monster and the 2nd to drive pedals and Collective. I'll set the psu amps in VP for 12 amps to give me headroom. I'll wire up the power supplies each with a 12awg power cord.
Y@walmis I have no clue what have you done but in latest firmware you have fixed all my disconnecting issues when using higher spring force . Fantastic job! Thank You!
CWhat value do you guys use for the pot_1, I'm at 70%, is that ok?
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HFirst of all, what have you assigned to the Poti? Most people probably assign Master Gain or Spring Gain. But why would you default it to anything else than 100? doesn’t make much sense to me…..
I would see the poti as a tool to reduce forces on the fly, if I feel the need.
I would see the poti as a tool to reduce forces on the fly, if I feel the need.
RSpring gain for me
RRarely adjust it
SI've set it to 70% master gain when playing DCS. With 100% there was some creaking noises coming from the adapters/base (I'm using 150mm extension and WW adapter + grip) and I was worried something might break. In MSFS I use 80-90%, because you usually get the max forces only in high airspeed situations.
HI see. Personally I would rather create dedicated profiles and let them load by TelemFFB.
So but your real questions boils down than to „how are your gain settings for DCS“, no?
Because ultimately it doesn’t matter if you achieve your effective gain by poti or by any other setting.
The math is „effects settings or game“ times „master gain“ times „master spring gain“ times „potentiometer“. So if either one of those is set to 20% e.g. the overall maximum gain is 20%.
I choose spring as an example here, because that is really the only one you need to worry about, because it causes by far the biggest forces.
I have set Master Gain to 100% all the time but (Settings-)Spring Gain is usually at around 50% with a slightly steepend curve (would translate to something like 60-70% with a straight curve).
Have a look one the telemetry and check how many amps are drawn at max reflection. it doesn’t make much sense if you reach the maximum before reaching the end of throw.
My Potentiometers (I have two) are set to Spring and Friction and usually only use them on helicopters to fine tune the cyclic.
So but your real questions boils down than to „how are your gain settings for DCS“, no?
Because ultimately it doesn’t matter if you achieve your effective gain by poti or by any other setting.
The math is „effects settings or game“ times „master gain“ times „master spring gain“ times „potentiometer“. So if either one of those is set to 20% e.g. the overall maximum gain is 20%.
I choose spring as an example here, because that is really the only one you need to worry about, because it causes by far the biggest forces.
I have set Master Gain to 100% all the time but (Settings-)Spring Gain is usually at around 50% with a slightly steepend curve (would translate to something like 60-70% with a straight curve).
Have a look one the telemetry and check how many amps are drawn at max reflection. it doesn’t make much sense if you reach the maximum before reaching the end of throw.
My Potentiometers (I have two) are set to Spring and Friction and usually only use them on helicopters to fine tune the cyclic.
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RHINO #0803 Has Shipped!AMaybe you can share you profile for fixed wing plane, please.
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HThose are my basic settings for fixed wing. Mind that Static force and balancing spring are very specific to my grip and extension.
HI put a slight curve to the spring gain to make the spring a bit more responsive towards the middle position. Works better imho than the "adaptive recentering" alone.
AThank you, and what about spring dynamics? You use it?
HWhat do you mean? You mean Static vs. Dynamic Spring in TelemFFB?
HI use dynamic spring usually. (aka spring forces are controlled by the game)
HAh, you mean the option in VP config…. no I don’t use that.
AYeah, that's right, I got it.
WTesting a GIM8108-8 1:8 gear motor with VPforce controller:
Pros:
Lots of torque at 1Nm/A
Cons:
Noisy, sounds like a stepper motor. But the feel isn't too bad.
Pros:
Lots of torque at 1Nm/A
Cons:
Noisy, sounds like a stepper motor. But the feel isn't too bad.
WAccording to datasheet it can peak at about 22Nm
WI managed to break the lever arm at 10Nm 
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