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kaltokri

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kaltokriOP•12/16/24, 9:49 PM

I mainly fly A-10CIIs in DCS. The Rhino used to jump forwards a bit as soon as I entered the cockpit of the A-10. I've read here that this is normal. But recently (maybe since one of the last DCS updates) the stick stays in the centre. However, DCS now thinks I have already pulled the stick back a bit. As a result, the aircraft always pulls upwards. As long as I fly slowly, the trim is sufficient, but when I fly fast, maximum trim down is no longer sufficient. I then always have to hold against it. If I switch off FFB in the DCS misc settings, the effect does not occur. And I don't have this problem with the Hornet either. Has anyone else noticed this? Or does anyone know a solution?

kaltokri

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kaltokriOP•12/16/24, 9:52 PM

This is the axes position in game, when the Rhino is centered.

kaltokri

Kkaltokri I mainly fly A-10CIIs in DCS. The Rhino used to jump forwards a bit as soon as I...

asut

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asut•12/17/24, 6:26 AM

Maybe this help… https://discord.com/channels/965234441511383080/972180323787997255/1200355036279087204

HrEple

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HrEple•12/17/24, 12:16 PM

Tried setting it up, but the A10-2 keeps bringing the stick 50 % forward even with these settings:

HrEple

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HrEple•12/17/24, 12:17 PM

Also - no curves set in DCS, so this is something new and really annoying to fly with even though it might be realistic.

kaltokri

Kkaltokri Which version of the firmware are you using?

Greekbull

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Greekbull•12/17/24, 1:43 PM

I’ll need to check later today when I get back from a business trip. I was chatting with subsonic via a PM and he had a pretty good theory that it might be my power supply. The times that I’ve had the stick go dead on me has been usually at the end of a longer mission when I’m in the carrier pattern and of course getting a lot of different forces on the control surfaces with the jet having the landing gear down, etc.. He said he’s saying a similar occurrence when the motors are drawing a lot of power from the PSU and it’s not able to keep up. So I may need to explore buying a more powerful PSU unsure.

HrEple

HHrEple Also - no curves set in DCS, so this is something new and really annoying to fly...

SOB Simulations

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SOB Simulations•12/18/24, 2:05 AM

When you trim the stick in DCS does the physical stick and virtual stick in cockpit move forward and back (with trim)?

HrEple

HHrEple Tried setting it up, but the A10-2 keeps bringing the stick 50 % forward even wi...

TrigaNZ

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TrigaNZ•12/18/24, 8:08 AM

Here are my settings, working well for me.

HrEple

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HrEple•12/18/24, 12:01 PM

I copied your settings @TrigaNZ and now it worked. Kind of wondering if unchecking "adaptinve recentering" somehow did the trick, but not sure. Stick still moves forward, but not by even half as much as it used to.

Thanks!

kaltokri

Kkaltokri This is the axes position in game, when the Rhino is centered.

kaltokri

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kaltokriOP•12/18/24, 2:20 PM

My problem was related to "Balance Spring". After deactivating it the problem is solved.
Seems to be incompatible with the forward center of A-10C.

[OR] SerGeant

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[OR] SerGeant•12/18/24, 6:57 PM

Hey, since today I have a weird issue.
When switching profiles on the rhino I get one very hard hit on the stick and the y axis motor switches off.
This never occurred before.

[OR] SerGeant

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[OR] SerGeant•12/18/24, 6:58 PM

It doesn’t matter which profile I take.
It feels like the software doesn’t blend the new config smoothly

I-WVoss

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I-WVoss•12/18/24, 8:07 PM

Hello everyone! Sorry for the question maybe repetitive, a problem afflicts me; when I carry out sudden maneuvers the Rhino goes into protection and unhooks the ff. Can you give me some advice to solve?

I-WVoss

II-WVoss Hello everyone! Sorry for the question maybe repetitive, a problem afflicts me; ...

Dracks

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Dracks•12/18/24, 11:04 PM

yes try that 🧰support

Dracks

DDracks yes try that https://discord.com/channels/965234441511383080/968208779084701716/...

I-WVoss

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I-WVoss•12/19/24, 7:03 AM

Thanks for the info. I'll be testing for a couple of days. :german_thumbsup:

LLv34_Vellu

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LLv34_Vellu•12/19/24, 4:30 PM

What kind of settings do you have in DCS with F4? Every other planes Rhino works very well but with F4 feeling is like that a joystick would be without FF.

LLv34_Vellu

LLLv34_Vellu What kind of settings do you have in DCS with F4? Every other planes Rhino works...

LeLv30_Superbus

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LeLv30_Superbus•12/19/24, 5:33 PM

The F-4 has a unique controls implementation in DCS. Let me find the instructions... this was discussed shortly after Lead Sled was released. If I won't find them I can send you my settings. You should tweak the in-game F-4E specific control settings too.

LLv34_Vellu

LLLv34_Vellu What kind of settings do you have in DCS with F4? Every other planes Rhino works...

LeLv30_Superbus

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LeLv30_Superbus•12/19/24, 5:46 PM

My F-4 profile 📃general

LeLv30_Superbus

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LeLv30_Superbus•12/19/24, 5:48 PM

Some discussion about the the RL controls: 📃general

LeLv30_Superbus

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LeLv30_Superbus•12/19/24, 6:06 PM

Try these gains settings with my profile

jmirage

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jmirage•12/19/24, 6:17 PM

hi! I just received the Rhino and I'm playing a bit with it. Really impressed with it so far!
I was able to set up a default spring effect in the VPForce FFB configurator, but is there any way to get it to deactivate if I open a game with ANY FFB effect? This is similar to the way the old MS FFB2 joystick works.
The intention is to be able to play FFB games and others with no FFB effects (such as Elite) without having to open the program and make changes manually when I change games

jmirage

Jjmirage hi! I just received the Rhino and I'm playing a bit with it. Really impressed wi...

Number481

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Number481•12/19/24, 7:05 PM

That is how it works.

Sliders on the Settings tab define the max applied value any given effect can achieve when an effect is started with a gain of "%100".
The effect settings on the Effects tab are local, meaning that if a game comes along and starts a spring effect, it will override the spring effect you have configured in the effects tab unless you have the "sticky" checkbox enabled.

jmirage

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jmirage•12/19/24, 7:12 PM

Cool, the reason why I was thinking that maybe that was not the case is if the game loads other effects but not a spring effect when it starts. Maybe IL-2 before I get any airspeed, or unsure what effect is technically used for helos. That's great to hear

CoolHand

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CoolHand•12/19/24, 8:34 PM

Hey guys, I'm running a 200mm extension. It causes the stick to sag a little forward. Any recommendations on a setting where I can tighten that up?

CoolHand

CCoolHand Hey guys, I'm running a 200mm extension. It causes the stick to sag a little for...

Dracks

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Dracks•12/19/24, 10:47 PM

Yep, go to the VP configurator/ effects tab and you can try: adaptative centering and/or static force and/or balance spring. Cf my capture below

Dracks

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Dracks•12/19/24, 10:48 PM

Here's my effects tab (10cm extension and virpil Alpha stick)

Dracks

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Dracks•12/19/24, 10:49 PM

From memory it's balance spring the most useful. But try the others settings. For me it's the best settings for my joystick

CoolHand

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CoolHand•12/20/24, 2:15 AM

Thanks buddy!

BOO

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BOO•12/20/24, 9:53 AM

It appears that my experience of having no FFB in Cliff of Dover is not universal and others are reporting that it works as expected even without the configuarator or telem running. Can anyone else confirm or perhaps point to something obvious that I'm missing. I should add that the rhino seems to work fine in other titles. Thanks

rmax

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rmax•12/20/24, 1:27 PM

I am still having issues with my stick. The DC plug is in place. It was sitting there, nothing happening (but on of course) and suddenly the stick powered down so I don't believe that it is the DC power. The USB port is a little wobbly, but a different error occurs when the USB plug is pulled out, so I don't believe that it is a USB fault or hub fault. Log below attached. Any ideas?

rmax

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rmax•12/20/24, 1:28 PM

[08:50:45.451] Motor Y timeout
[08:50:45.452] Motor X timeout
[08:50:48.724] Motor X active
[08:50:48.725] Motor Y active
[08:50:49.245] Motor Y Status: FAULT_UNDERVOLTAGE
[08:50:49.246] Motor X Status: FAULT_UNDERVOLTAGE
[08:50:49.650] Motor X timeout
[08:50:49.675] Motor Y timeout
[08:50:50.928] Motor Y active
[08:50:50.928] Motor X active
[08:50:51.085] Motor Y Status: FAULT_UNDERVOLTAGE
[08:50:51.086] Motor X Status: FAULT_UNDERVOLTAGE
[08:50:51.249] Motor X timeout
[08:50:51.252] Motor Y timeout
[08:50:51.675] Motor Y active
[08:50:51.677] Motor X active
[08:50:52.131] Motor Y Status: FAULT_UNDERVOLTAGE
[08:50:52.132] Motor X Status: FAULT_UNDERVOLTAGE
[08:50:52.525] Motor X timeout
[08:50:52.547] Motor Y timeout
[08:50:53.880] Motor Y active
[08:50:53.883] Motor X active
[09:19:09.105] Reset
[09:19:09.105] FFB_RemoveAllEffects
[09:39:58.080] Motor X Status: FAULT_UNDERVOLTAGE
[09:39:58.080] Motor Y Status: FAULT_UNDERVOLTAGE
[09:39:58.242] Motor X timeout
[09:39:58.249] Motor Y timeout

rmax

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rmax•12/20/24, 1:28 PM

[12:51:26.512] Motor Y active
[12:51:26.513] Motor X active
[12:51:26.803] Motor Y Status: FAULT_UNDERVOLTAGE
[12:51:26.804] Motor X Status: FAULT_UNDERVOLTAGE
[12:51:26.963] Motor X timeout
[12:51:26.967] Motor Y timeout
[12:51:27.986] Motor Y active
[12:51:27.986] Motor X active
[12:51:28.486] Motor Y Status: FAULT_UNDERVOLTAGE
[12:51:28.490] Motor X Status: FAULT_UNDERVOLTAGE
[12:51:28.893] Motor X timeout
[12:51:28.911] Motor Y timeout
[12:51:30.180] Motor Y active
[12:51:30.182] Motor X active
[12:51:33.203] Motor Y Status: FAULT_UNDERVOLTAGE
[12:51:33.203] Motor X Status: FAULT_UNDERVOLTAGE
[12:51:33.363] Motor X timeout
[12:51:33.367] Motor Y timeout
[12:51:34.411] Motor Y active
[12:51:34.413] Motor X active
[12:51:34.915] Motor Y Status: FAULT_UNDERVOLTAGE
[12:51:34.923] Motor X Status: FAULT_UNDERVOLTAGE
[12:51:35.314] Motor X timeout
[12:51:35.327] Motor Y timeout
[12:51:36.613] Motor Y active
[12:51:36.614] Motor X active
[12:53:58.311] Reset
[12:53:58.312] FFB_RemoveAllEffects
[12:53:58.313] Stop All Effects
[12:53:58.315] Device Gain: 255
[13:09:58.537] Motor Y timeout
[13:09:58.538] Motor X timeout
[13:10:00.970] Motor Y Status: FAULT_UNDERVOLTAGE
[13:10:00.970] Motor Y active
[13:10:01.075] Motor Y timeout
[13:10:02.449] Motor Y active
[13:10:02.450] Motor X active
[13:10:02.935] Motor Y Status: FAULT_UNDERVOLTAGE
[13:10:02.937] Motor X Status: FAULT_UNDERVOLTAGE
[13:10:03.337] Motor X timeout
[13:10:03.357] Motor Y timeout
[13:10:04.653] Motor Y active
[13:10:04.654] Motor X active
[13:20:09.330] Reset
[13:20:09.330] FFB_RemoveAllEffects

kaltokri

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kaltokriOP•12/20/24, 2:20 PM

Try the following things one by one:

Disable Power Management for USB connected Devices
Connect Rhino directly to a USB on the mainboard
Try another psu. I suggest Meanwell 350/24. Best psu for Rhino imho.

Dracks

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Dracks•12/20/24, 4:55 PM

Hello pilots! A few questions for those who have the Rhino on rudder pedals.

I'm having trouble finding an optimal setting on the Fenix A3xx series. I have the impression that everything is empty as if 0 resistance didn't apply...everything else about planes and helicopters seems "realistic" (at least in my vision) but for the Fenix, I seem to have 0 sensation.
Would you have any recommendations for settings or effects to prioritize for the rudders of Airliners?

Dracks

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Dracks•12/20/24, 4:55 PM

(maybe a Fenix problem ?)

rmax

Rrmax [12:51:26.512] Motor Y active [12:51:26.513] Motor X active [12:51:26.803] Motor...

walmis

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walmis•12/20/24, 5:43 PM

Yeah, this is indeed strange. I see both motors throw an undervoltage fault and restart after 1 second. Seems like it could be a power supply issue. If you have a spare laptop supply 12-20V with a 5.5/2.5 DC jack you could give it a try to isolate the issue. But the 1 second delay after motor timeout strongly suggests a PSU restart after some sort of internal fault.

Red Magic

RRed Magic is there a way to get rid of this

FuturPaladin [FR/2A]☨

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FuturPaladin [FR/2A]☨•12/20/24, 5:44 PM

any luck yet ?

walmis

Wwalmis Yeah, this is indeed strange. I see both motors throw an undervoltage fault and ...

rmax

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rmax•12/20/24, 5:45 PM

That could be scrabbling around for the reset as I hurtle earthwards. Good tip on the power supply thanss for the specs.

FuturPaladin [FR/2A]☨

FFuturPaladin [FR/2A]☨any luck yet ?

Red Magic

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Red Magic•12/20/24, 5:54 PM

No

Red Magic

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Red Magic•12/20/24, 5:55 PM

Most of the time it comes up it can be closed but there are occasions when it just locks up and the only way to kill the popup is a PC reboot

FuturPaladin [FR/2A]☨

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FuturPaladin [FR/2A]☨•12/20/24, 5:55 PM

that's odd

BOO

BBOO It appears that my experience of having no FFB in Cliff of Dover is not universa...

Number481

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Number481•12/20/24, 7:48 PM

Try this. I used to think IL-2 (GB) had a bad/wonky FFB implementation... CLoD said "hold my beer".

I invested $2.49 to buy the game this morning out of an abundance of curiosity to see if I could figure out CLoD FFB. The above link is what I have added to the Rhino manual that should get it working. At least, its what I had to do to get it working.

Number481

NNumber481 Try [this](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YL5DLkiTxlaNx_zKHEYSs25PjmGtQ6_WZ...

BOO

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BOO•12/20/24, 9:24 PM

Thank you! I've packed away for the evening but its sounds promising. I appreciate you taking the time to investigate!

BOO

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BOO•12/20/24, 10:02 PM

I've posted some appreicate and shameless promotion of VP and your work and efforts around the forums various that I haunt.

Spatz

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Spatz•12/20/24, 10:15 PM

hello long time no see ^^ i have a question is Falcon BMS supported by the rhino?

Icebeat

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Icebeat•12/20/24, 10:19 PM

Hi @walmis, the usb connector of my Rhino kit, is connecting and disconnecting randomly, is it possible to buy a replace or have a link to a similar component? Thanks

BOO

BBOO Thank you! I've packed away for the evening but its sounds promising. I appreci...

Number481

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Number481•12/21/24, 12:54 AM

The "answer" is already documented... sort of... just poorly and out of date. In the games manual/troubleshooting guide (pg54 in my copy) there is a section about using the devreorder tool. In there it mentions force feedback... but it's not really obvious that this part of the troubleshooting section is talking about fixing the enumeration issue. It also says to use the 32 bit DLL. I spent a good hour or two trying different things and could not get it to recognize the new device ordering. Then I noticed the exe is Launcher64Launcher64 so I thought to try the 64 bit DLL.. it worked.

My "test" mostly consisted of starting up the "first solo" training mission and making sure the game started a spring with 0 gain on the right device. I did briefly do an air start and saw I had spring force and felt some stall buffeting.

I don't know what other FFB gremlins may exist in the title.

Number481

NNumber481 🤘 The "answer" is already documented... sort of... just poorly and out of date...

BOO

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BOO•12/21/24, 8:27 AM

Oh there are many, many gremlins

like firing cannon, droppig bombs and your AI gunners firing all cut the spring FFB until you drop below 320 km/h where it renegages. or no FFB at all on spawn in. All for the devs to look at again now FFB is back in fashion. Removing VJoy from my PC and only having the Rhino connected worked (as predicted). I will suggest TFS look at the Rhino manual and edit their troubleshooting. Thank you again for jumoing on this. I realise Clod is not a popular title.

BOO

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BOO•12/21/24, 1:24 PM

All of the above, by the way, is fixable with a little 30 second, pre session flight and a small "voodoo" routine. https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/33014-adjusting-force-feedback-in-cliffs-of-dover-blitz/page/2/

IL-2 Sturmovik Forum

Adjusting Force Feedback in CLIFFS OF DOVER - BLITZ

Wyber Boyes

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Wyber Boyes•12/21/24, 4:32 PM

I've have got ffb working in BMS with another base but haven't tried the rhino yet (only got it a few days ago). You have to add a [ to the first line of the feedback.ini file so it looks like this [EffectData]. HAve a read through this thread: https://forum.falcon-bms.com/topic/28078/force-feedback-supported/6?_=1723363646322

Falcon BMS Forum

Force Feedback supported?

@airtex2019 If we are talking about FFB that has been integrated into the USB HID spec since the days of moving FFB away from joy ports and midi. Shared mem ...