also remember that the tablet settings are per livery
also remember that the tablet settings are per livery
HThis I know because I had changed them for each type as described in the vp force manual.
Nanother stupid question.. the axis dot in configurator moves in the correct direction as you manipulate the stick (ie not reversed)? I know this is a stupid question because you already said you don't have anything mapped in the sim and I'm pretty sure you'd have noticed if the stick was moving backwards in the sim 
but if the direction was reversed it could cause a runway condition, so I gotta rule it out...
but if the direction was reversed it could cause a runway condition, so I gotta rule it out...HOkay so I reset the config in telemffb. Exit. Went in fs2020. Loaded aircraft, waited for avionics to fire up. Paused. Started telemffb. Mapped my TR button, verified that the heli has a match in telemffb. Unpause sim, same issue.
Yes the direction of my movements move in the direction I move the cyclic. Nothing is reversed
Yes the direction of my movements move in the direction I move the cyclic. Nothing is reversed
HWhen I load into the aircraft the stick does not move. Stays put but the 2nd I hit the trim release that is when my heli went to the bar and had a few to many
HTrim follow is not on by default. I have it off currently
Nin TelemFFB can you quickly try binding TR to some other button than your usual TR button? any other button on your cyclic will do... just to see if the behavior is any different.
What you are seeing is not something I have ever seen or every heard of anyone else seeing
What you are seeing is not something I have ever seen or every heard of anyone else seeing
HTried a different button. Same result.
HI don't know what's going on and why this happening. I can also try my laptop. I have an instance of fs2020 on it. I can hook up just the stick to that and try and see if I have the same issue.
HSince the memory is stored in the stick shouldn't be an issue
Nmy next best suggestion is if you can screen share with me so I can look at TelemFFB, configurator and the sim at the same time to see what's going haywire. We can try the discord voice chat but the only time I've tried that, the screen sharing resolution was pretty bad (may have been a bandwidth issue from the other user.. not sure)
HLet me try the laptop. Booting up now. This will rule out a pc issue. Next I have another stick I can try to
Nare you using a USB hub? If so, any chance you can try direct attach to motherboard? (I know your setup isn't exactly portable 
). I've not seen issues specific to MSFS or the 145.. but some folks did have wierd force trim centering issues on the latest rhino firmware that were ultimately caused by their USB hubs (grasping at straws here).
). I've not seen issues specific to MSFS or the 145.. but some folks did have wierd force trim centering issues on the latest rhino firmware that were ultimately caused by their USB hubs (grasping at straws here).HOkay same issue happens on the laptop. No USB hub. Plugged directly into the laptop
HOkay I just tried a different random joystick. I mapped a button to TR. Same issue. This it not a pc or joystick hardware issue.
HI wonder is dracks is having the same issue and he gets around it because he has hardware force trim on
Nwhat do you mean another random joystick
Nno.. hardware force trim has nothing to do with it.. it is all modeled in TelemFFB
HI wanted to rule out that my max flight stick cyclic top wasn't the issue so what I did was unplug ghr max flight take a VKB joystick plug that in, ran loop back, found a button, bound, set it in telemffb and press the button on the vkb while I phsycially moved the joystick gimbal with my other hand. Same issue
HBy using the laptop this also rules out FSUIPC and Mobiflight. I don't have any of that extra stuff on the laptop
Nif you want to jump in voice https://discord.com/channels/965234441511383080/965234441511383084 we can try to screen share and I can look at it live.. I can't think of what else to have you try but if I see it live and can watch TelemFFB data and configurator it might jump out at me
HWould zoom call be easier?
HI use discord on my phone not sure how screen share works
Nzoom/teams/whatever will work.. as long as I can see your desktop will DM you
Nif you don't use discord on your PC I dont think it will work well to try to screen share
HJust an update guys, @number481 helped me get the cyclic drift issue resolved. He had me set the hands off detection from 2% to 5% and he had me run a bunch of tests and all is working.
H@Dracks I can confirm that hardware force trim does not need to be checked off in order to function. In the screenshots you sent me I saw it was on.
MWow……hats off to Number481
…..tremendous support!
…..tremendous support!
HAgreed! Amazing people here. We jumped on call together and we walked through a bunch of scenarios and tests. Love this group!
M“Hands off detection”……is that the “Hans on and off dead zone under Axis control in Telemffb??? Can’t see it anywhere else?
HHold on I'll get you a screenshot
NI'm not entirely convinced that the hands-off detection zone was the original culprit, but it is really the only setting we changed from default.. either way I'll take it as a win.
In general however, it is important to make sure that you get reliable hands on/off detection ("OVERRIDE" visible/absent on the PFD) when deflecting the stick against the spring and then releasing it back to center. If you don't reliably get "hands off" (OVERRIDE goes away), AFCS thinks you are still manually overriding and so won't "do its thing".. however simply being in a constant override state should not cause the runaway condition that was originally being seen.
In general however, it is important to make sure that you get reliable hands on/off detection ("OVERRIDE" visible/absent on the PFD) when deflecting the stick against the spring and then releasing it back to center. If you don't reliably get "hands off" (OVERRIDE goes away), AFCS thinks you are still manually overriding and so won't "do its thing".. however simply being in a constant override state should not cause the runaway condition that was originally being seen.
FSo it was something simple! Just had to figure out what it was 
FThe fact that the software can detect a hands on/hands off setting is amazing to me. So cool.
HYeah, so odd. We really only changed one thing but here's the kicker I went and plugged the rhino into the laptop. Completely separated from my desktop. It did the same exact thing where it drifted. 1 usb cable, no extra programs besides loop back and telem.
Ssystem menu, open config/log directory. rename userconfig.xml to somethign else. reopen telemffb
HFor shits and giggles tomorrow I'm going to plug back into my laptop and leave the 2% hands off and see if it drifts again. If it does I'll set to 5% and see if the problem disappears. This will indicate its most likely the default value of 2% was the culprit in my use case.
HGotta go way back in the convo lol.
Smaybe? never tried that.
HI thought maybe it was my flight stick so on my laptop I plugged a vkb into the lap top and removed the max flight stick. I bound a button from the vkb joystick as trim release and manually moved the gimbal by hand and still got the drift. Ruled out pc and hardware
Seither way would get you a fresh install. but, its nicer to just edit the xml file and trash individual settings you dont want. or just click the X button on the right side of settings. scalpel vs. sledgehammer
HIt's nice to know that's another option you pointed out. I like sledgehammers 
SXiMpLe - simple XML and JSON grid view editor, XML comparator, XML splitter and XML joiner, XSD validation and generation - one file, no installation (portable), freeware for non-commercial use
HVery interesting
Nthere's at least 4 ways to clear out your user config...
- Sledge Hammer
- "reset user config" from utilities menu + telemFFB restart
- manually delete userconfig.xml and restart TelemFFB
- Scalpel
- manually edit XML
- Delete model data using offline editor (for aircraft with default profile will simply delete your user settings..setting it back to default)
Sthat too. forgot that was in there
HScalpel if you have alot of profiles. For me I have just one, sledgehammer would do 
MOh Boy I’ve got a lot to learn. I have the VP rhino, finished my VP based pedals with FTR pedal switch and half way finished my VP based collective. All this so I can fly the excellent X-Trident A109SP……it’s so close to the real SP I fly……so keen to emulate the 4-axis AFCS based controls.
BTW what time zone are you guys? Just for future reference as I’m sure to need a nudge or two in the right direction! I’m in GMT+10
Cheers
BTW what time zone are you guys? Just for future reference as I’m sure to need a nudge or two in the right direction! I’m in GMT+10
Cheers
HLooking forward to seeing your setup. I'm on the EST time.
