are you using a USB hub? If so, any chance you can try direct attach to motherboard? (I know your s

are you using a USB hub? If so, any chance you can try direct attach to motherboard? (I know your setup isn't exactly portable

). I've not seen issues specific to MSFS or the 145.. but some folks did have wierd force trim centering issues on the latest rhino firmware that were ultimately caused by their USB hubs (grasping at straws here).

NNumber481 are you using a USB hub? If so, any chance you can try direct attach to motherb...

H145Rotor-Sims•12/28/24, 1:12 AM

Okay same issue happens on the laptop. No USB hub. Plugged directly into the laptop

H145Rotor-Sims•12/28/24, 1:16 AM

Okay I just tried a different random joystick. I mapped a button to TR. Same issue. This it not a pc or joystick hardware issue.

H145Rotor-Sims•12/28/24, 1:17 AM

I wonder is dracks is having the same issue and he gets around it because he has hardware force trim on

Number481OP•12/28/24, 1:17 AM

what do you mean another random joystick

Number481OP•12/28/24, 1:17 AM

no.. hardware force trim has nothing to do with it.. it is all modeled in TelemFFB

NNumber481 no.. hardware force trim has nothing to do with it.. it is all modeled in TelemF...

H145Rotor-Sims•12/28/24, 1:20 AM

I wanted to rule out that my max flight stick cyclic top wasn't the issue so what I did was unplug ghr max flight take a VKB joystick plug that in, ran loop back, found a button, bound, set it in telemffb and press the button on the vkb while I phsycially moved the joystick gimbal with my other hand. Same issue

H145Rotor-Sims•12/28/24, 1:22 AM

By using the laptop this also rules out FSUIPC and Mobiflight. I don't have any of that extra stuff on the laptop

HH145Rotor-Sims By using the laptop this also rules out FSUIPC and Mobiflight. I don't have any ...

Number481OP•12/28/24, 1:28 AM

if you want to jump in voice https://discord.com/channels/965234441511383080/965234441511383084 we can try to screen share and I can look at it live.. I can't think of what else to have you try but if I see it live and can watch TelemFFB data and configurator it might jump out at me

H145Rotor-Sims•12/28/24, 1:29 AM

Would zoom call be easier?

H145Rotor-Sims•12/28/24, 1:30 AM

I use discord on my phone not sure how screen share works

Number481OP•12/28/24, 1:31 AM

zoom/teams/whatever will work.. as long as I can see your desktop will DM you

Number481OP•12/28/24, 1:31 AM

if you don't use discord on your PC I dont think it will work well to try to screen share

H145Rotor-Sims•12/28/24, 2:35 AM

Just an update guys, @number481 helped me get the cyclic drift issue resolved. He had me set the hands off detection from 2% to 5% and he had me run a bunch of tests and all is working.

H145Rotor-Sims•12/28/24, 2:40 AM

@Dracks I can confirm that hardware force trim does not need to be checked off in order to function. In the screenshots you sent me I saw it was on.

Mike T•12/28/24, 2:42 AM

Wow……hats off to Number481

…..tremendous support!

MMike T Wow……hats off to Number481👍…..tremendous support!

H145Rotor-Sims•12/28/24, 2:42 AM

Agreed! Amazing people here. We jumped on call together and we walked through a bunch of scenarios and tests. Love this group!

Mike T•12/28/24, 2:45 AM

“Hands off detection”……is that the “Hans on and off dead zone under Axis control in Telemffb??? Can’t see it anywhere else?

MMike T “Hands off detection”……is that the “Hans on and off dead zone under Axis control...

H145Rotor-Sims•12/28/24, 2:46 AM

Hold on I'll get you a screenshot

MMike T “Hands off detection”……is that the “Hans on and off dead zone under Axis control...

H145Rotor-Sims•12/28/24, 2:54 AM

Number481OP•12/28/24, 3:00 AM

I'm not entirely convinced that the hands-off detection zone was the original culprit, but it is really the only setting we changed from default.. either way I'll take it as a win.

In general however, it is important to make sure that you get reliable hands on/off detection ("OVERRIDE" visible/absent on the PFD) when deflecting the stick against the spring and then releasing it back to center. If you don't reliably get "hands off" (OVERRIDE goes away), AFCS thinks you are still manually overriding and so won't "do its thing".. however simply being in a constant override state should not cause the runaway condition that was originally being seen.

HH145Rotor-Sims Click to see attachment

f14billy•12/28/24, 3:00 AM

So it was something simple! Just had to figure out what it was

f14billy•12/28/24, 3:03 AM

The fact that the software can detect a hands on/hands off setting is amazing to me. So cool.

Ff14billy So it was something simple! Just had to figure out what it was 😂

H145Rotor-Sims•12/28/24, 3:03 AM

Yeah, so odd. We really only changed one thing but here's the kicker I went and plugged the rhino into the laptop. Completely separated from my desktop. It did the same exact thing where it drifted. 1 usb cable, no extra programs besides loop back and telem.

HH145Rotor-Sims Is there a way to default the entire telemffb?

smitty•12/28/24, 3:03 AM

system menu, open config/log directory. rename userconfig.xml to somethign else. reopen telemffb

H145Rotor-Sims•12/28/24, 3:04 AM

For shits and giggles tomorrow I'm going to plug back into my laptop and leave the 2% hands off and see if it drifts again. If it does I'll set to 5% and see if the problem disappears. This will indicate its most likely the default value of 2% was the culprit in my use case.

Ssmitty system menu, open config/log directory. rename userconfig.xml to somethign else...

H145Rotor-Sims•12/28/24, 3:05 AM

Gotta go way back in the convo lol.

Ssmitty system menu, open config/log directory. rename userconfig.xml to somethign else...

H145Rotor-Sims•12/28/24, 3:06 AM

smitty•12/28/24, 3:06 AM

maybe? never tried that.

H145Rotor-Sims•12/28/24, 3:07 AM

I thought maybe it was my flight stick so on my laptop I plugged a vkb into the lap top and removed the max flight stick. I bound a button from the vkb joystick as trim release and manually moved the gimbal by hand and still got the drift. Ruled out pc and hardware

smitty•12/28/24, 3:09 AM

either way would get you a fresh install. but, its nicer to just edit the xml file and trash individual settings you dont want. or just click the X button on the right side of settings. scalpel vs. sledgehammer

Ssmitty either way would get you a fresh install. but, its nicer to just edit the xml fi...

H145Rotor-Sims•12/28/24, 3:10 AM

It's nice to know that's another option you pointed out. I like sledgehammers

smitty•12/28/24, 3:11 AM

for a really nice way to edit xml files, check out http://ximple.cz

XiMpLe - XML Editor - Homepage

XiMpLe - simple XML and JSON grid view editor, XML comparator, XML splitter and XML joiner, XSD validation and generation - one file, no installation (portable), freeware for non-commercial use

Ssmitty for a really nice way to edit xml files, check out http://ximple.cz

H145Rotor-Sims•12/28/24, 3:12 AM

Very interesting

Number481OP•12/28/24, 3:15 AM

there's at least 4 ways to clear out your user config...

Sledge Hammer
- "reset user config" from utilities menu + telemFFB restart
- manually delete userconfig.xml and restart TelemFFB
Scalpel
- manually edit XML
- Delete model data using offline editor (for aircraft with default profile will simply delete your user settings..setting it back to default)

smitty•12/28/24, 3:15 AM

that too. forgot that was in there

NNumber481 there's at least 4 ways to clear out your user config... - Sledge Hammer - "re...

H145Rotor-Sims•12/28/24, 3:19 AM

Scalpel if you have alot of profiles. For me I have just one, sledgehammer would do

Mike T•12/28/24, 3:27 AM

Oh Boy I’ve got a lot to learn. I have the VP rhino, finished my VP based pedals with FTR pedal switch and half way finished my VP based collective. All this so I can fly the excellent X-Trident A109SP……it’s so close to the real SP I fly……so keen to emulate the 4-axis AFCS based controls.
BTW what time zone are you guys? Just for future reference as I’m sure to need a nudge or two in the right direction! I’m in GMT+10
Cheers

MMike T Oh Boy I’ve got a lot to learn. I have the VP rhino, finished my VP based ped...

H145Rotor-Sims•12/28/24, 3:29 AM

Looking forward to seeing your setup. I'm on the EST time.

Mike T•12/28/24, 3:30 AM

EST? Is that in the USA?…….GMT-5?

MMike T EST? Is that in the USA?…….GMT-5?

Number481OP•12/28/24, 3:34 AM

Yes, -5 here on the us east coast. The A109 test build I sent you is a very rough 1st draft, cyclic only implementation. Lot of work left to try to bring it up to par with the implementation for the HPG helicopters.

MMike T EST? Is that in the USA?…….GMT-5?

H145Rotor-Sims•12/28/24, 3:36 AM

Yeah

Mike T•12/28/24, 4:01 AM

<@Number481> ….I know……it would be great if it can as it’s such a very well modelled SP…….in fact as I now fly mostly the AW139 and 169 I use the SP for self currency to keep my grey cells in-tune with it

. X-Trident is not on Discord but on X-plane forum……there are many SP users that would benefit from using the VP based controls…….here’s hoping you can do some of your magic

cheers

Firaga•12/28/24, 2:01 PM

My power input connection was pushed inside the base when plugging in the power cord. I was able to pull it back with sharp tweezers but it is escaping again when trying to plug in the power connector. The screws are also not holding it in place.

What is the easiest way to get inside to support this piece from the other side? Bottom plate? Would not want to tear the whole base apart.

H145Rotor-Sims•12/28/24, 3:57 PM

@Number481 did some more testing this time on the laptop. The hands off sensitivity isn't the issue. My laptop I was on build 499. I immediately had the issue. I then upgraded telemffb to 20241213. Issue still present. I shut down the sim and installed build 500. Loaded back into the sim (telemffb) and issue was gone. So it appears you need build 500 and you need to reinstall it. This is also of course ensuring ipad settings in the sim are set per the manual

HH145Rotor-Sims @Number481 did some more testing this time on the laptop. The hands off sensitiv...

Number481OP•12/28/24, 4:10 PM

Hmm... still doesn't add up to any sort of "aha" moment unless your install was corrupted on both your desktop and your laptop somehow which seems highly unlikely. But, good to know in case someone runs into similar issue on the 145 in the future.

NNumber481 Hmm... still doesn't add up to any sort of "aha" moment unless your install was...

H145Rotor-Sims•12/28/24, 4:12 PM

Yeah its so strange. First thing I would try is just copying over the build

HH145Rotor-Sims Yeah its so strange. First thing I would try is just copying over the build

Number481OP•12/28/24, 4:25 PM

something unrelated that occurred to me this morning when I read your wishlist post about the loopback app.

Your cyclic and collective grips are technically the same device ("arduino micro") right?

Something I added into TelemFFB a while ago that might help you...

The master instance also sends the button press events it sees to the child instances. So with the loopback app running with the arduino as source and your joystick as destination you should be able to bind the collective TR press in the collective TelemFFB instance without having a second loopback app running connected to the collective.

Since the joystick instance of loopback should also see the button presses from your collective grip, the master instance of TelemFFB will send those events to the collective instance.

NNumber481 something unrelated that occurred to me this morning when I read your wishlist p...

H145Rotor-Sims•12/28/24, 5:04 PM

I'm definitely going to give this a shot.

H145Rotor-Sims•12/28/24, 5:15 PM

@Number481 Any possibility to link dual controls and have them move accordingly without having a phsycial mechanical connection I.E software?

HH145Rotor-Sims @Number481 Any possibility to link dual controls and have them move accordingly ...

Number481OP•12/28/24, 5:43 PM

TelemFFB isn't really designed in a way that would accommodate that and it only understands a single instance each of joystick/pedals/collective. It would be quite an overhaul to put the right pieces in place. And even then, you would need some means of manual handoff to know which was acting as the master at any point in time. It wouldn't be possible to have them both active and following each other at the same time.

are you using a USB hub? If so, any chance you can try direct attach to motherboard? (I know your s

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