I'm a bit confused, the 86BLF series https://www.promoco-motors.com/products/BLDC/86BLF%20Series.pdf

I'm a bit confused, the 86BLF series https://www.promoco-motors.com/products/BLDC/86BLF%20Series.pdf seems to show different specs to that listed in the faqs pages for the DIY motors. The body length is shown in the faqs page for the 86BLF04 as 94mm, but the specs in the promoco data sheet shows the motor body length as 57mm. Is this the wrong data sheet? is there a typo somewhere? Can somebody advise, as I'm trying to model these parts up.

GGettinBetter I'm a bit confused, the 86BLF series https://www.promoco-motors.com/products/BLD...

walmis•1/11/25, 10:30 AM

Yeah some manufacturers have different naming for these models for some reason, try looking up ACT motor datasheets

Wwalmis Yeah some manufacturers have different naming for these models for some reason, ...

GettinBetterOP•1/11/25, 10:45 AM

Ok, thank you. I've ordered these, so the ACT datasheet is what I'm going to get ?

walmis•1/11/25, 10:54 AM

Physical dimensions - yes

Fr4Ged•1/11/25, 11:05 AM

Walmis, did you get your FLNKR yet?

walmis•1/11/25, 11:06 AM

Nope, not a word yet

DDracks Here's some video (sorry I had to cut it down) AND Sorry for my bad english 😉

Spelljammer1•1/11/25, 11:26 AM

Thanks for these videos! Very informative even just for us still waiting for ours to arrive

The clicking action on the flip-down trigger sounds great in your video 3

Wwalmis Physical dimensions - yes

GettinBetterOP•1/11/25, 11:46 AM

Perfect, many thx

Wwalmis Nope, not a word yet

ReapDaddy•1/11/25, 12:53 PM

No word here either. Ordered in July. Can’t wait though.

SSpelljammer1 Thanks for these videos! Very informative even just for us still waiting for our...

Dracks•1/11/25, 1:40 PM

You're welcome! It's really a great grip. Only 1 thing I must do is contacting Virpil for the right Hat. It's moving a little despite the fact that I pushed it all the way in

DDracks You're welcome! It's really a great grip. Only 1 thing I must do is contacting V...

Fr4Ged•1/11/25, 1:52 PM

did you replace the HATs yet? some of them have the alignment arrow the wrong way. lol

FFr4Ged did you replace the HATs yet? some of them have the alignment arrow the wrong wa...

Dracks•1/11/25, 2:33 PM

Yeah. The extrem right and the "middle" one. The middle one is moving (little but hum...)
But thank you for the information. I must try that !

RUSHER•1/11/25, 3:22 PM

I'm in Germany and got mine from Virpil in Lithuania.

Fr4Ged•1/11/25, 3:34 PM

probably mostly about order number.
mine is no. 22

GGettinBetter I'm a bit confused, the 86BLF series https://www.promoco-motors.com/products/BLD...

smitty•1/11/25, 5:06 PM

i have step files of motors here https://discord.com/channels/965234441511383080/1324449671443386459/1324455437642367086

DDracks Yeah. The extrem right and the "middle" one. The middle one is moving (little bu...

Fr4Ged•1/11/25, 6:58 PM

are you already using the FLNKR with the Rhino or are you waiting or are you waiting for that grip type profile? if yes how did you set it up?

FFr4Ged are you already using the FLNKR with the Rhino or are you waiting or are you wai...

RUSHER•1/11/25, 7:25 PM

I started using it now because I could not wait. I selected the Alpha Grip profile. What doesn't work are the swappable Buttons. There not all positions are recognized or I get double inputs. But for me that is Ok right now.

FFr4Ged are you already using the FLNKR with the Rhino or are you waiting or are you wai...

Dracks•1/11/25, 7:31 PM

Same answer as Gadreel

. You can check my post 2-3 days ago for more explanation

Dracks•1/11/25, 7:31 PM

Or my vids

Dracks•1/11/25, 7:33 PM

In a nuts: if you're ok with less buttons or you're impatient go try this grip

DDracks In a nuts: if you're ok with less buttons or you're impatient go try this grip �...

Fr4Ged•1/11/25, 8:25 PM

ah, just checked your videos.
it basically is the same for me. the cursor controller and the brake axis aren't working at all.
I think I will switch back to the Constellation until Walmis gets hands on his FLNKR

Wwalmis Nope, not a word yet

Anthony•1/12/25, 2:38 PM

Chucks, I’d kinda have thought you’d be prioritised tbh

Panzuur•1/12/25, 7:53 PM

Does anyone know the height of the Winwing stick adapter , or have a step file of the adapter?

VKNG•1/13/25, 8:25 AM

Can anyone help me with dialing in my Rhino for the F4? I’m having a hell of a time getting it to feel right.

CCapnFlint I've been not paying attention for a bit. Are there any updated recommended sett...

VKNG•1/13/25, 8:53 AM

!!!

VVKNG Can anyone help me with dialing in my Rhino for the F4? I’m having a hell of a t...

Touch_Of_Legend•1/13/25, 9:52 AM

You’re aware of the bellows system right?

The phantom doesn’t really fly like a normal airframe but that’s what makes her special.

VKNG•1/13/25, 9:53 AM

Yea, no I know. Just was looking for help with getting it dialed in a little better than what I have it at now. At least, hoping.

MichalK•1/13/25, 10:41 AM

Basically dial the gain up in DCS F4 special options to something you find comfortable at low speed and lower overall Rhino gain if you find it too stiff at high speed. And that's it. I don't think any other stick special options make a difference with FFB enabled, but I have them unchecked to be sure, and my gain is 200% roll, 250% pitch

MichalK•1/13/25, 10:43 AM

Heatblur simulation of the bellows system does not make much sense unless you have a stick 10x more powerful than stock Rhino, but it is what it is and we're stuck with it

MMichalK Heatblur simulation of the bellows system does not make much sense unless you ha...

TheAmazinGreat•1/13/25, 1:12 PM

How is the bellows system supposed to feel? What about the roll?

TheAmazinGreat•1/13/25, 1:14 PM

Having never flown the real thing or a real plane, I have no idea what anything is supposed to be like. So everything is just what feels right to me. But I’ve also always been on desk mounted spring centering sticks so I always wonder if that makes me biased to what feels right.

MichalK•1/13/25, 1:40 PM

More or less what Heatblur did, but much heavier overall. The real system works in a something like 0-60 kgf range, so it goes from "quite heavy" at takeoff speed to "very heavy" at high speed. But with the same force gradient that Heatblur copied from the real world, our joysticks go from "almost nothing" at takeoff speed, to "okay" at high speed.

MMichalK More or less what Heatblur did, but much heavier overall. The real system works ...

TheAmazinGreat•1/13/25, 1:46 PM

Sounds like then the overall implementation is good like you said. It’s just that because of the various forces available they gave us the gain adjustments. I understand now. I definitely feel the pitch get heavier at high speed. But have adjusted gain so it’s not too heavy.

TheAmazinGreat•1/13/25, 1:46 PM

Thanks for the explanation

Fr4Ged•1/13/25, 1:53 PM

Yeah, I am fine with the default forces. Don't want to destroy the gimbal. Lol

TTheAmazinGreat Sounds like then the overall implementation is good like you said. It’s just tha...

MichalK•1/13/25, 1:55 PM

The problem is that if you crank up the gain in DCS settings you can get 'okay' force at low speed, but quickly saturate ffb and loose the dynamics at high speed

VPforceBot•1/13/25, 1:56 PM

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MichalK•1/13/25, 1:56 PM

The module would benefit from a different speed/gain curve, more in line with other DCS addons.

CapnFlint•1/13/25, 2:01 PM

I did end up putting a curve in an F4 specific VPForce config and using telem FFB to load that config when I fly the F4

FFr4Ged Yeah, I am fine with the default forces. Don't want to destroy the gimbal. Lol

Fierce_Fire•1/13/25, 2:18 PM

Good luck destroying it, it can take quite the punch

VPforceBot•1/13/25, 2:26 PM

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MMichalK The module would benefit from a different speed/gain curve, more in line with ot...

TheAmazinGreat•1/13/25, 2:33 PM

But why have the gains at all, seems simple to say at X speed spring % is 50 and at y speed spring % is 100.

TheAmazinGreat•1/13/25, 2:33 PM

Would it be better to leave DCS gains at 100 and tune dynamic spring in VPconfig?

MichalK•1/13/25, 2:43 PM

well, that's an option too, play with rhino settings to alter spring gain there. The thing is that F-4 at 100% gain outputs only something around 10% FFB spring force at 200 kts, so you need to bump it considerably on the VPconfig side

MMichalK well, that's an option too, play with rhino settings to alter spring gain there....

TheAmazinGreat•1/13/25, 3:05 PM

So basically they’ve designed it for someone who has a FFB stick that can output 60kgf at max. And us mere mortals have to use the gains to try to bump the curve up to actually feel it.

MichalK•1/13/25, 3:09 PM

yep

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kiplet•1/13/25, 5:57 PM

This one's mine! Now I'm just sat patiently waiting for the VKB BlackBox to come back in stock on their European site (or better yet be sold on the UK site) so I can actually use it...

Kkiplet This one's mine! Now I'm just sat patiently waiting for the VKB BlackBox to come...

Blackrat•1/13/25, 6:02 PM

Mine is #854 UK too, was hoping for my Birthday, which is today, but its coming Wednesday which is my Wedding Anniversary, I bet my wife will be thrilled ....

BBlackrat Mine is #854 UK too, was hoping for my Birthday, which is today, but its coming ...

kiplet•1/13/25, 6:14 PM

Happy Birthday! A Rhino is the perfect wedding anniversary present for your wife, as it's sure to keep you out of her hair for longer.

I'm a bit confused, the 86BLF series https://www.promoco-motors.com/products/BLDC/86BLF%20Series.pdf

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