My second question is related to helicopter. Helicopter cyclic like the one of the UH-H1 are not sel

My second question is related to helicopter. Helicopter cyclic like the one of the UH-H1 are not self-centering with a spring effect, but the force to apply change depending on the amount of deflection, how can this be captured in VPForce? Many thanks again

YYoutch My second question is related to helicopter. Helicopter cyclic like the one of t...

CaptainNel•3/5/25, 5:08 PM

They’re not entirely unsprung, they use force trim, magnetic brakes that do provide some return to trim, it’s just that trim is moveable. Your best bet would be to enable force trim in telemffb, and set a very low spring force and play with the dampers

CaptainNel•3/5/25, 5:09 PM

And the appropriate force trim interrupt buttons etc

CCaptainNel They’re not entirely unsprung, they use force trim, magnetic brakes that do prov...

YoutchOP•3/5/25, 5:32 PM

Thanks for your answer. What I meant is that the cyclic does not self-center as for fixed wing aircrafts where the stick is "spring loaded" as for instance in F14 or F4 or ww2 propeller planes, the cyclic moves freely and does not return to the center. But this does NOT imply that there is no changes of force along the travel range of the cyclic. In UH-H1 apparently the force required to make any input changes depends on the amount of deflection, the more deflection the more force required in the input. I wish I would be able to capture this behavior, but I have no clue how to create a gain curve in VPForce_Configurator to link more deflection with more force without using spring. I also recently found out that for UH-H1 pilots are able to feel where is the neutral position of the stick because there is a steeper gradient of force just around the neutral position, this is basically how they manage to know where the center is, even when the aircraft is not yet forced trim before take-off. Also I was told that UH-H1 pilots did not need to use force trim in flight and were very rarely using it.

CaptainNel•3/5/25, 6:13 PM

To my mind you’re explaining the feeling of force trim, but I’m very likely wrong on that. Without force trim active the hydraulics would provide a relatively stable force throughout the movement of the stick, I can only imagine you’d have to play around with damper settings or using a ramping spring curve to replicate what you’re explaining. There are gain curves in the advanced tabs on VPConfig, and telemffb gives you more options as well

CCaptainNel To my mind you’re explaining the feeling of force trim, but I’m very likely wron...

YoutchOP•3/5/25, 7:52 PM

Which Trimmer set-up you are using in DCS for the Huey, the default one as per the Rhino manual or the one for FFB stick?

CaptainNel•3/5/25, 7:54 PM

All of my trims are in telemffb I don’t use the native ffb

CCaptainNel All of my trims are in telemffb I don’t use the native ffb

YoutchOP•3/5/25, 8:44 PM

There is no Trim in TelemFFB, do you refer to the hardware force Trim in VPForce_Configurator in conjunction with RhinoLoop?

YYoutch There is no Trim in TelemFFB, do you refer to the hardware force Trim in VPForce...

CaptainNel•3/5/25, 8:46 PM

Theres heli specific force trims on telemffb

CaptainNel•3/5/25, 8:46 PM

That’s all the force trim I use

CaptainNel•3/5/25, 8:47 PM

Granted I exclusively fly helicopters in sims I don’t own a plane module

CaptainNel•3/5/25, 8:47 PM

I have the built in FFB turned off

CCaptainNel I have the built in FFB turned off

YoutchOP•3/5/25, 8:48 PM

You mean the Trim Release Damper? I am assuming that we are both talking about DCS. Thanks again for your patience with me.

CaptainNel•3/5/25, 8:49 PM

Yeah DCS, trim release damper overrides the DCS native FFB, telemffb has an option for override DCS Spring

CaptainNel•3/5/25, 8:52 PM

CaptainNel•3/5/25, 8:52 PM

I’ve had to use Remote Desktop so it looks odd

CaptainNel•3/5/25, 8:53 PM

But the override dcs spring option lets you let a custom spring curve and strength, a force trim release and a FT re-centre bind etc

CaptainNel•3/5/25, 8:53 PM

Trim release damper etc is all in there too

unstopy•3/5/25, 11:16 PM

Recently got an email telling me my preorder was almost ready, wasn’t expecting it nearly this early so I wanted to ask do you need to fully pay within 10 days or just confirm the order via the link?

unstopy•3/5/25, 11:16 PM

Didn’t see anything on the FAQ about it

Uunstopy Recently got an email telling me my preorder was almost ready, wasn’t expecting ...

Flo-Soft•3/6/25, 12:07 AM

For the first email with the link to the order form you just have to fill out the order form and add any additional parts you want to order (adapter...). That's the actual placing of your final order. When all parts are available you will get another email (New invoice...) containing the invoice of your ordered parts and the clear instructions how to pay.

unstopy•3/6/25, 12:07 AM

Ok I appreciate the help, thank you

Uunstopy Ok I appreciate the help, thank you

Piiman•3/6/25, 1:59 AM

Be aware the invoice will come soon after you place that order. For me it was, I got mail on Wednesday, and placed the order on Fri and on Monday I had the invoice with a few days to pay, which I paid, and 2.5 days later it was in my hands in Florida USA. But as you noted their list seems to be moving much faster, My order only took about 3 mos total so if you can't do it now get back on the list.

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YoutchOP•3/6/25, 11:14 AM

Thanks for sharing your settings, much appreaciated. In the VPForce manual, there is nothing explaining the Trim Release Damper, and all the mentions to Trim Release seemed to be related to MSFS, so I had just totally skipped this one. I will need to read more about it, to understand what is supposed to do, and see how to configure it. I went to the release note and found this: - Helicopter Trim Release Damper
- This is not a replacement of the in-game trim release functionality. It is a simple spring based dampening effect, identical to the one for MSFS.
- To configure, simply enable the effect and bind the same button that you have configured for TR in the sim. While the button is depressed, TelemFFB will add the dampening effect and will remove it when the button is released. The actual trimming and centering offset is still completely handled by DCS. Thanks again

CaptainNel•3/6/25, 11:20 AM

Yeah that’s the case for native DCS FFB, I don’t use it all I control all my FFB through TelemFFB. To set the spring, use override DCS spring. Then you get access to two more sliders, spring gain and then a separate trim damper slider too, as well as binds for FT release, FT re-centre and a 4 way trim hat

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eivissa•3/7/25, 9:34 AM

I've got the same issue with Loopback not saving the selection. I am using the PumaX as a Button/Hat Source but on every reloading of the tool it defaults back to the Rhino. Also after a certain time flying the HPG H145 in FS2020 the Loopback tool crashes, but in the process it also kills the PumaX driver. You instantly notice this as only the stick lat/long axis (Rhino) work and everything else is dead. Any ideas?

Eeivissa I've got the same issue with Loopback not saving the selection. I am using the P...

YoutchOP•3/7/25, 1:00 PM

I also have the same issue with Loopback no saving the selection, even with the last version.

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CCaptainNel Yeah that’s the case for native DCS FFB, I don’t use it all I control all my FFB...

YoutchOP•3/7/25, 1:03 PM

I am not sure how the effect of Trim Release Damper is supposed to feel. Do you need to have also some higher Damper Gain selected in order for to work? Because Force Trim is working in the game, but I cannot feel any difference, which point to me having probably miss something in the configuration somewhere. Thanks again.

YYoutch I am not sure how the effect of Trim Release Damper is supposed to feel. Do you ...

CaptainNel•3/7/25, 1:49 PM

I’m not near my PC for the next few days or so apologies.

With a higher damper force and master gain turned up in VPConfig, the faster you move the cyclic the higher the force opposing it becomes. It simulates hydraulics quite well tbf.

CaptainNel•3/7/25, 1:50 PM

Have you got a screenshot of your VPConfig?

CCaptainNel Have you got a screenshot of your VPConfig?

YoutchOP•3/7/25, 3:34 PM

Here it goes. Many thanks again.

CaptainNel•3/7/25, 3:36 PM

Do you have the two pots wired up?

CaptainNel•3/7/25, 3:37 PM

You have global damper set at 8% and global spring set at 0%

CaptainNel•3/7/25, 3:37 PM

Personally I have spring at 100 and tune it per module, and damper at 70 and again tune it

CaptainNel•3/7/25, 3:39 PM

Are you using the newest version of telem? I don’t recognise the override configurator slider option you have there

YYoutch I am not sure how the effect of Trim Release Damper is supposed to feel. Do you ...

Number481•3/7/25, 3:56 PM

Trim release damper is a spring based effect. When you press TR and the game spring goes to 0, TelemFFB starts a temporary spring effect that feeds the center position back into itself that results in a damping feeling. It’s a different sensation than straight damper effect would be.

When you release TR, TelemFFB stops the effect and hands the spring back to the game.

CCaptainNel You have global damper set at 8% and global spring set at 0%

YoutchOP•3/7/25, 4:01 PM

Pots are not wired at all so only the values on the screenshots are applied. I am using Release 20250101 which I believe is the latest. Now I guess the problem of me not feeling the effect was because I had spring gain to 0.

CaptainNel•3/7/25, 4:04 PM

Yeah that’s a likely culprit, give it a whirl and see how it goes

CaptainNel•3/7/25, 4:04 PM

I’d also turn up damper slightly

CCaptainNel I’d also turn up damper slightly

YoutchOP•3/7/25, 5:59 PM

First of all thank you both CaptainNel and Number481 for your help with this. I wish the manual was up-to-date, and this function explained better. I changed the Spring to 40% and the Damper to 15%, and now I can feel the effect. Whenever I push Trim Release I can move the Cyclic freely, when i push force trim, it creates a "new center" with some "spring effect" recentering the stick around this "new center", then if I push Trim Release the artificial center disappear and I can move again freely. Now the big problem I have is that when I push the Force Trim button, it does not create the new center at the exact same point the cyclic is when I push Pilot Timmer/Trim, it seems to put it at some arbitrary point instead, and not immediately. Is it supposed to be one single push or continuous push and release? I am suspecting some conflict between the Pilot Trimmer button defined in DCS and the Trim button defined in VPForce Configurator, are we supposed to configure it in both?.

YYoutch First of all thank you both CaptainNel and Number481 for your help with this. I ...

CaptainNel•3/7/25, 6:09 PM

As far as I know, it varies. What I would suggest is unbinding the DCS native keybinds and control trim through telemffb so you have no conflicts

CaptainNel•3/7/25, 6:10 PM

The DCS binds are a method to replicate a trim system without FFB and hardware position gold

Reed•3/7/25, 6:12 PM

I haver used the tlelffb trim solution in the past, but have swapped over to dcs implementation as each supported airframe feels different. The 60 and still use the teleffb solution. works well for me. havetn had any issues.

CaptainNel•3/7/25, 6:16 PM

I use telemffb because everything feels the same

I prefer things to feel the same but I don’t really have anyt of the effects turned on or that it’s literally just for force trim ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

CaptainNel•3/7/25, 6:16 PM

Ya like what ya like

CCaptainNel I use telemffb because everything feels the same 😂 I prefer things to feel the ...

YoutchOP•3/7/25, 6:23 PM

Is there any use to the Trim button defined in VPForceConfigurator? The problem with TelemFFB is that it does not force trim the position of the pedals, does it?

CaptainNel•3/7/25, 6:28 PM

I personally have those off

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