VKB decided to encrypt the communication with the Grip
VKB decided to encrypt the communication with the Grip
TSo you could put one of those cable fittings in the base for the VKB blackbox, then the wire would be inside the base?
BThat's a radio mike connector 
- still, it's not a bad solution at all, I use them myself on my projects sometimes - poor person's Amphenol 
- still, it's not a bad solution at all, I use them myself on my projects sometimes - poor person's Amphenol 
JI am a bit confused. On the connection diagram the PSU is connected to MOT1 and Motor 2 to PWR. Is this correct?
The motor wires are blue and yellow. Which wire is + and which -?
The motor wires are blue and yellow. Which wire is + and which -?
Wah, it doesn't matter, but thanks for noticing. The power is distributed equally to those 3 ports.
Wpositive is the yellow wire
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Wprototyping the VKB adapter
OThat looks really good.
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WAnd voila - real deal 
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Fhow does the vpforce compare to the Brenner? I have no idea what the Brenner's internals are
SLook up the conversation, there's a review as well about it too comparing both pros and cons
FIs that mine?
WI'm making some in advance
WBut yes, you can say that
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VDude the CNCed adaptor mount looks so good. It's crazy how low the price you charge for them is.
WI think I'll go with 25€ final price if bought with the rhino, they require a bit of work, but very reasonable price for CNCed composite part.
Nis the design still with a seperate connection or did you reach an understanding with either VKB or their connection?
SSo if you go the vkb route you'll need the grip, Blackbox and electronics too? So basically everything but the gimbal And it'll run on the exterior of the stick.
SAttention to this folks
SSo anybody who wants to use with VKB grip will need to hook separately with a blackbox
PAre there any commercially available desk mounts that would accommodate a Rhino unit well?
KJust found this randomly browsing YT. Seems like a super cool project. How will it integrate with DCS? Does this face the same problems that Brunner has with only reading certain parameters from a lua or will this access all the data from all the modules?
WThe base itself is quite high, so better to attach to the floor/seat than use long and possibly wobbly desk extensions
WThanks! It integrates natively to dcs (and other titles such as IL2) like a msffb2. It's possible to use lua to augment additional effects if desired.
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Regarding VKB - yes you will need to connect to the black box. This is a solution for those who have existing VKB systems and don't want to switch over to TM/Virpil.
Regarding VKB - yes you will need to connect to the black box. This is a solution for those who have existing VKB systems and don't want to switch over to TM/Virpil.
原are the arrangement of the screw holes identical to any existing device? I saw on the diagram that the distance btwn the holes are 160 x 160.32 though, they are in mm I guess?
原or perhaps it's possible to direct mount the Rhino onto a aluminum profile structure? consumer center chair mounts are very rear..
WYeah it's 160x160mm. You can definitely make a structure from alu profiles. But it needs to be pretty well attached to something.
WA couple of concrete sidewalk tiles would do the trick also 
原btw glad to see the VKB grip will soon be supported. nice job man, you are the savior
so WW nxt perhaps?
forgive my greediness
so WW nxt perhaps? forgive my greediness原roger. haha
WYeah, I'll have to buy a WW grip next, unless someone wants to lend it for research 
原but there is a chance that WW uses their own protocol/encrypted too. I heard of this bcz in China there is a guy who makes "replica" FSSB and when he was asked whether it will support the WW grips, he said something like that, iirc. But if you can someday make a similar approach like you did with the VKB grip, personally I think it'll be just wonderful and enough, in that case the blackbox is just replaced by the Winwing joystick base. So basically an adaptor + daisy chain cable extension.
Wah, interesting
原no worries, VKB grips are just good enough, they have plenty of buttons for emulating almost every available modules in flight sim
KThank you. In a few short words, could you tell me what your product does differently/better than the brunner? Since we're in the early steps of new gen FFB devices, I want to make the most informed decision possible when it comes to ordering one of your bases.
F@khangirey you can start here
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WYeah, I did a quick comparison to the brunner a few posts down that review in the forum
FCould you pin that link @walmis ?
KThanks. A few more questions if you don't mind. I normally play with a VKB grip on a 200mm extension. Moving down to a shorter extension + FFB, will I notice a degradation in resolution/clarity/feeling?
WNo, It has a very good resolution/sensitivity even without an extension. The pivot to grip length is 168mm and total throw is 44 deg.
KThanks. So what I'm understanding is that with the FFB, it makes up for that lowering in length, correct?
WNot sure if I understood, but in general - longer extension, lower max force felt in the stick, also - longer extension- longer throw. The precision is very good in any configuration 
WIt was pinned already
CI build some rudder pedals wit simple parts, targeting planes, but the should do for you as well. What is still missing is the electronic part that can load the motor according to the force acting on the rudder in dependence of the airspeed.
